xian

my analysis: ATHEIST

Amaranth

and

are contradictory.

Care to take another shot at it?

beth

Gee, it took a lot of supernatural ability to figure this out. *wink* *wink*

Slavik91

Look over the quote again, it says;

You added;

I assumed that you knew something else we ALL have in common. I was challenging you to put it on the table.


edited to say "Woot! 101 posts!"

Kosmo

xian,
I think your test should include the question: Do you feel guilty when you masturbate?
Yes
No
Not anymore

Though you did note that the test you presented was a truncated version, perhaps this question is present in the complete test.

Kintaro

For now, there are 3 people who I got to fill this out. This is the integral text of the exchange, minus the reformatting of nicknames.

While xian posed the challenge, people may feel free to guess as well their religious affiliation.

The answer will be posted between 1700 and 1900 EDT, 4.16 . (Except if xian does not post an answer. Then I will delay one day, then another, then once more. By Saturday noon, he forfeits the right to answer.)

Before I post the 3 though, I will put this clear. Anything I said to them is there. I made 2 clarifications. Hopefully they will be properly viewed as not skewing the playing field.

And there is a catch-22 in one of the 3's affiliation. The more precise the answers are, the more I value them. The question to ask their religious affiliation was (not exact wording for all 3, but same q) If StatsCan were to have you fill a census, under religion, what would you write ?

none of them wrote jedi knight or any stupidity.

In order of starting quiz time :


Kintarooooo shortened to Kint.
BoomChish - You boys must be hungry... how about some sex? Pokey, you don't like sex, do you? T-O-O BAD! is shortened to Boom.


Kint: vanney : would you be willing to do something for me ?
Boom: depends
Boom: do my clothes come off at any point?
Boom: 'cause if not, then sure
Kint: it's a 20-q questionnaire
Kint: I cannot give you the explicit reason why, since it's to maintain a fair view
Boom: no problem
with questionnaires, you don't even have to ask, just send away
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS 1-7, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"

1. evolution of life from non-life is a likely or certainly a fact of history
2. science and religion are inherently incompatible
3. I am familiar with and rapidly recognize the acronym "IPU"
4. I lack belief in an absolute moral law and absolute right and wrong.
Kint:
5. I am inclined to think that advanced alien life exists somewhere in our universe beyond earth.
6. uncaused events regularly effect themselves
7. the 6 senses (if you count the vomeronasal organ- 5 if you do not) is all that is needed to know truth.
Boom: 1) disagree
2) agree
3) disagree
4) disagree
5) agree
6) agree
7) agree
Kint: 8. I think landoverbaptist.com is a funny website.
a. TRUE
b. FALSE
c. I am not familiar enough with that website to answer

9. I agree with a womans right to choose to abort her foetus.
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
Boom: 8 ) c
9) a
Kint: 10. It is inappropriate and/or unscientific to call a foetus a "human being"
A. TRUE
B. FALSE

11. Organized religion is responsible for the majority of human atrocities throughout history
A. I agree
B. I disagree
C. Other
Boom: 10) a
11) a
Kint: 12. When I die, I fully expect my consciousness and awareness to cease existing, so that the only existence I have after my death is merely the natural particles that once made up my
physical body- returned to the natural universe
A. True
B. False

13. The idea that the universe began to exist uncaused from an inflationary quantum fluctuation is reasonable and/or possible.
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
Boom: 12) b
13) a
Kint: 14. THIS TEST IS WRITTEN BY A CHRISTIAN ATTEMPTING TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY ANALYZE ATHEISTS. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU KNOW THIS. IN THE SPACE BELOW WRITE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS TEST BUT DO NOT ADMIT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE AN ATHEIST:
Kint: start anytime, mark *finish* when done, due to the text format of MSN messenger
Kint: you may or may not use multiple lines
Boom: Whenever I read tests like these, I want to laugh, because it's just a feeble attempt to illogically prove certain aspects on life without hardcore facts. People think differently and that's what separates us from animals... we THINK.
*finish*
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"
Kint: 15. The Judeo-Christian God, as described in the King James Bible, could logically be called a tyrant, a maniac, and/or a murderer.
Boom: agree
Kint: 16. Faith and rational thought are inherently incompatible.
Boom: agree
Kint: 17. Atheists cannot be classified beyond simply "lack of belief in god(s)"
Boom: disagree
Kint: 18. Xians are, for the most part, irrational individuals (if you do not know what a XIAN is, please answer "UNKNOWN - XIAN").
Boom: unknown - Xian
Kint: 18. Xians are, for the most part, irrational individuals (if you do not know what a XIAN is, please answer "UNKNOWN - XIAN").
Kint: sorry
Kint: 19. Humans are, ultimately, nothing more than a bag of mostly water- a proteinous, carbon-based mass of stimulated chemicals reacting to each other, having no objective value beyond what the individual or the society places on such masses. The bipedal anthropodic masses of organic matter called "homosapiens" have no special purpose beyond that which each bag of chemicals assigns to themselves of--
Kint: --that which a societal group of chemical bags assign to them.

Boom: agree
Kint: 20. Please write your honest thoughts about these statements in the paragraph below- do not admit in any way that you may be an ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC AND/OR NATURALIST. (3 statements, comment after each)
Kint: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Boom: well, obviously... you need some proof of existence... without proof, it's as if only you are seeing it and not anyone else. Much like the tree falling in the woods analogy. How can it make a sound if there's no one there to hear it?
Kint: George Bush calling for a national day of prayer and thanking God while giving public addresses
Boom: wait... George Bush, or GWB?
Kint: I do not want to suppose erroneously since I did not write this quiz, but the -ing verbs suggest current, so I would say GWB.
Boom: in that case

It's his way of saving face in the eyes of his country while he goes and blows up many people in another country for his own cause
Kint: Carl Sagan & SETI
Boom: ... I don't even know who/what that is... O_o


Kintarooooo is shortened to Kint.
n_n umop apisdn u_u is reset to her original non-rotatable nickname lilshini.


Kint: do you have 10-15 mins ?
lilshini: sure
Kint: it's for a 20-question questionnaire, I can't tell you what it's about, I didn't write it, but are you willing to take it ?
lilshini: sure
Kint: ok
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS 1-7, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"

1. evolution of life from non-life is a likely or certainly a fact of history
2. science and religion are inherently incompatible
3. I am familiar with and rapidly recognize the acronym "IPU"
4. I lack belief in an absolute moral law and absolute right and wrong.
lilshini: 1-Disagree 2- Disagree 3-Disagree 4-Disagree
Kint: 5. I am inclined to think that advanced alien life exists somewhere in our universe beyond earth.
6. uncaused events regularly effect themselves
7. the 6 senses (if you count the vomeronasal organ- 5 if you do not) is all that is needed to know truth.
lilshini: 5-Agree 6-Agree 7-Disagree
Kint: 8. I think landoverbaptist.com is a funny website.
a. TRUE
b. FALSE
c. I am not familiar enough with that website to answer
lilshini: c
Kint: 9. I agree with a womans right to choose to abort her foetus.
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
lilshini: a
Kint: 10. It is inappropriate and/or unscientific to call a foetus a "human being"
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
lilshini: b
Kint: 11. Organized religion is responsible for the majority of human atrocities throughout history
A. I agree
B. I disagree
C. Other
Kint: alive ?
lilshini: a
Kint: 12. When I die, I fully expect my consciousness and awareness to cease existing, so that the only existence I have after my death is merely the natural particles that once made up my
physical body- returned to the natural universe
A. True
B. False
lilshini: b
Kint: 14. THIS TEST IS WRITTEN BY A CHRISTIAN ATTEMPTING TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY ANALYZE ATHEISTS. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU KNOW THIS. IN THE SPACE BELOW WRITE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS TEST BUT DO NOT ADMIT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE AN ATHEIST:
(type *finish* when done)
lilshini: I dun have any comments FINISH
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"

15. The Judeo-Christian God, as described in the King James Bible, could logically be called a tyrant, a maniac, and/or a murderer.
16. Faith and rational thought are inherently incompatible.
17. Atheists cannot be classified beyond simply "lack of belief in god(s)"
lilshini: 15 disagree 16 disagree 17 disagree
Kint: 18. Xians are, for the most part, irrational individuals (if you do not know what a XIAN is, please answer "UNKNOWN - XIAN").
lilshini: unknown - xian
Kint: 19. Humans are, ultimately, nothing more than a bag of mostly water- a proteinous, carbon-based mass of stimulated chemicals reacting to each other, having no objective value beyond what the individual or the society places on such masses. The bipedal anthropodic masses of organic matter called "homosapiens" have no special purpose beyond that which each bag of chemicals assigns to themselves of--
Kint: --that which a societal group of chemical bags assign to them.
Kint: gilby will finish before you do
Kint: you don't want that to happen
lilshini: disagree
Kint: 20. Please write your honest thoughts about these statements in the paragraph below- do not admit in any way that you may be an ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC AND/OR NATURALIST.

Kint: (3) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

lilshini: ? i dun understand
Kint: what do you honestly think about that statement
Kint: i can't feed words into your mouth, objectivity principle
lilshini: I think it's kinda right because you can't give people a way to think
Kint: i mean the first one
Kint: the one you didn't understand
Kint: o_O
lilshini: oh
Kint: i hope you thought that way for the objectivity principle, or else i'd be no more than a cheap bastard ethically
Kint: but that's not part of the quiz
lilshini: (3) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. >> Well Extrodinary claims should have evidence because then it can't be explain or verified
Kint: George Bush calling for a national day of prayer and thanking God while giving public addresses
lilshini: I think thats totally useless, I mean, people can pray, but people... making a day outta it...
Kint: Carl Sagan & SETI
lilshini: I have no idea whats that


Kintarooooo shortened to Kint.
[<3] <@ Misericord/Taro Boi - Can you supersize ambition? shortened to [<3].


[<3]: what is it?
Kint: won't be long
[<3]: what is it?
Kint: a 20-q quiz
[<3]: sure
Kint: i did not write these questions, and i am asking you these on an objective p.o.v. answer with honesty
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS 1-7, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"

1. evolution of life from non-life is a likely or certainly a fact of history
2. science and religion are inherently incompatible
3. I am familiar with and rapidly recognize the acronym "IPU"
4. I lack belief in an absolute moral law and absolute right and wrong.
Kint: 5. I am inclined to think that advanced alien life exists somewhere in our universe beyond earth.
6. uncaused events regularly effect themselves
7. the 6 senses (if you count the vomeronasal organ- 5 if you do not) is all that is needed to know truth.
[<3]: life from non-life?
[<3]: as in "god CREATED the world in 7 days from nothing"?
Kint: no. evolution as in from methane came more complex molecules then forms of life
[<3]: ah
Kint: i'm pretty sure that is what the writer meant, but i can't discuss every question
[<3]: 1. Agree
2. Disagree
3.Agree
4.Agree
5.Agree
6.Disagree
7. Disagree
Kint: 8. I think landoverbaptist.com is a funny website.
a. TRUE
b. FALSE
c. I am not familiar enough with that website to answer

9. I agree with a womans right to choose to abort her foetus.
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
[<3]: 8.c
[<3]: 9.a
Kint: 10. It is inappropriate and/or unscientific to call a foetus a "human being"
A. TRUE
B. FALSE

11. Organized religion is responsible for the majority of human atrocities throughout history
A. I agree
B. I disagree
C. Other
[<3]: 10.a
[<3]: 11.c
Kint: 12. When I die, I fully expect my consciousness and awareness to cease existing, so that the only existence I have after my death is merely the natural particles that once made up my
physical body- returned to the natural universe
A. True
B. False

13. The idea that the universe began to exist uncaused from an inflationary quantum fluctuation is reasonable and/or possible.
A. TRUE
B. FALSE
[<3]: 12.B
[<3]: 13.b
[<3]: ... I don't really understand 13 though
[<3]: I just disagree with the idea that the universe is uncasued
Kint: 14. THIS TEST IS WRITTEN BY A CHRISTIAN ATTEMPTING TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY ANALYZE ATHEISTS. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU KNOW THIS. IN THE SPACE BELOW WRITE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS TEST BUT DO NOT ADMIT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE AN ATHEIST:
Kint: write *finish* when done
[<3]: heh, alien life is on this survey. Interesting
[<3]: finish
Kint: FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING, ANSWER "AGREE" OR "DISAGREE"

15. The Judeo-Christian God, as described in the King James Bible, could logically be called a tyrant, a maniac, and/or a murderer.
16. Faith and rational thought are inherently incompatible.
[<3]: 15. Disagree
[<3]: 16.Agree
Kint: 17. Atheists cannot be classified beyond simply "lack of belief in god(s)"
18. Xians are, for the most part, irrational individuals (if you do not know what a XIAN is, please answer "UNKNOWN - XIAN").
[<3]: 17. Disagree
[<3]: 18. "UNKNOWN - XIAN"
Kint: 19. Humans are, ultimately, nothing more than a bag of mostly water- a proteinous, carbon-based mass of stimulated chemicals reacting to each other, having no objective value beyond what the individual or the society places on such masses. The bipedal anthropodic masses of organic matter called "homosapiens" have no special purpose beyond that which each bag of chemicals assigns---
Kint: --- to themselves of that which a societal group of chemical bags assign to them.

[<3]: 19. Disagree
Kint: 20. Please write your honest thoughts about these statements in the paragraph below- do not admit in any way that you may be an ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC AND/OR NATURALIST. (3)
Kint: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
[<3]: It depends. If one were to say "There is a god" certain people would demand irrefutable evidence. Some would say "thats nice. Since this idea has no negative impact on my current lifestyle, I will accept your idea" Others may say "I already knew that".
Kint: George Bush calling for a national day of prayer and thanking God while giving public addresses
[<3]: as the leader of a democratic nation, George Bush it is his duty to follow the wishes of the majority above those of the minority. Unless an election is approaching, then he kissess everyone's ass. If the country is predominantly christian (or holds a belief in god/a higher power) then it is a perfectly normal thing for him to do
Kint: Carl Sagan & SETI
[<3]: Who is Carl Sagan? As for SETI. If they do find signs of extra-terrestrial life, and I'm inclined to think they will, eventually. Then that will raise (or at the very least bring attention to) moral, scientific and philosophical questions the general public would most likely ignore for the span of their natural lives.

Ensign Steve

*raises hand* I know I am in the minority, but I am an atheist, and I believe in objective morality.

I still think the test is completely loaded. It's also stupid and pointless.

I don't think Landover Baptist is funny, either.

Edit: upon re-reading the replies, I see that blondegoddess also disagreed with the morality question, so perhaps we do have more in common than our lack of god-belief, after all! *gasp*

Goliath

xian,

Please either do each of the following:

1. Reveal every last part of the test.

2. Give statistical analysis (including confidence intervals) that rigorously shows that your test can identify atheists with "a high degree of probability."

or, concede the argument made in your OP.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Just for fun, I'll take your loaded exam:

Unknown.

Disagree. Some scientists are theists.

Agree.

Agree.

Unknown.

I have no idea what this means.

Unknown.

c.

A.

Undecided.

A

C. Unknown.

C. Unknown.

It is a pathetically put-together test. No statistical analysys accompanies it to show how likely the test is to identify atheists correctly.


Agree.

Unknown.

Not only "Agree," but this is true by definition.

Unknown.

Unknown.

True by definition.

Unconstitutional by definition (cf First Amendment).


What about Carl Sagan and SETI? I have no comments.


You have yet to prove that you have this ability, and even if you did, you have not proven that said ability is supernatural.

Prove it.

Sincerely,

Goliath

xian

i am not making an argument. i have nothing to concede. this is not an argument for you to debate. I can identify atheists with a high degree of probability. your agreement with my ability is irrelevant. In fact, I expect you to disagree. This disagreement is actually one of the criteria I use to determine that you are indeed an atheist. I expect fully that you will deny that I can identify atheists- and would be actually disappointed if you were to admit that such a thing is possible.

Question for you to ponder: is it POSSIBLE that in GENERAL (not absolutely) atheists have commonalities more than simply "lack of belief in god(s), making it possible to identify them as atheists without an admission of "lack of belief in god(s)"?

when you come to terms with the empirical fact that the answer to that question is YES, you will have gained wisdom, integrity.