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GunnerJ · 05-17-2002, 08:40 AM

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From my limited human view...

Based on some of the things you say next, it seems your view is very limited indeed.

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God allowed sin in the world because he wanted to show us how evil men can be without God (look at Hitler).

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"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity . . . For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life . . . These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles!

Adolf Hitler in a speech at Koblenz, August 26, 1934

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We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

Adolf Hitler in a speech at Berlin, October 24, 1933

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I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work.

Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf.

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My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.

Adolf Hitler in a speech on April 12, 1922 published in "My New Order"

hezekiah jones · 05-17-2002, 08:42 AM

Well he wasn't a True Christian ...

Fastfalcon · 05-17-2002, 08:45 AM

yeah, more like an atheist-hating, Jew-hating, communist-hating old painter that managed to come to power only because the Depression gave him a chance.

Darwin's Finch · 05-17-2002, 08:46 AM

FF: "'cause otherwise, life is meaningless without God."

What a pathetic admission. Speak for yourself, buddy.

FF: "We would just be little people who may or may not be able to get off this little overcrowded planet."

Ever hear of the space program?

Let's try this again. Why is any aspect of the Christian myth necessary? Don't plead limited human understanding. You're the one pushing this nonsense. You must have some thoughts on the matter that weren't spoonfed to you by your fellow cultists. (Yeah, right.

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brighid · 05-17-2002, 08:50 AM

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yeah, more like an atheist-hating, Jew-hating, communist-hating old painter that managed to come to power only because the Depression gave him a chance

Damn sounds like our current President!

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Fastfalcon · 05-17-2002, 08:50 AM

I've heard of the space program, but the ISS is so debt-ridden, I'm suprised that it lasted so long. I mean, we have the ability to go to the moon and Mars, but the politicians in Congress don't think it's worth the money.
and I do not think GWB hates the Jews. Where did you get that poppycock from? The KKK? The Democrats?

[ May 17, 2002: Message edited by: Fastfalcon ]

enrious · 05-17-2002, 08:51 AM

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Why?

Are you saying God couldn't understand the human condition without being human?

Are you saying that He couldn't fogive us without assuming human form?

Repeating the questions, in the unlikely possibility that FastFalcon will actually answer them.

Grizzly · 05-17-2002, 08:55 AM

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Damn sounds like our current President!

B

Take that back! W has never worked a day in his life.....

brighid · 05-17-2002, 08:57 AM

Yes, I stand corrected � he is a spoiled, rotten, rich boy who has been given everything he has by his daddy, atheist hating, jew hating, communist hating, �axis of evil� hating �

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Corrected to add � not really a Jew hater, unless they stop buying from his defense contractors�

[ May 17, 2002: Message edited by: brighid ]

Fastfalcon · 05-17-2002, 08:59 AM

He did forgive people in his normal self (remember David?). He had to abolish the old laws (the ones that orthodox Jews still cling to) in order to set us free, because the law just condemns. It is just all part of His plan to save His children (all 6 billion people on earth) from the jaws of hell (where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth), but some people just choose to condemn themselves.

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Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	I've heard of the space program, but the ISS is so debt-ridden, I'm suprised that it lasted so long. I mean, we have the ability to go to the moon and Mars, but the politicians in Congress don't think it's worth the money. and I do not think GWB hates the Jews. Where did you get that poppycock from? The KKK? The Democrats? [ May 17, 2002: Message edited by: Fastfalcon ]</p>

05-17-2002, 08:57 AM	#39
brighid Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: somewhere in the known Universe Posts: 6,993	Yes, I stand corrected � he is a spoiled, rotten, rich boy who has been given everything he has by his daddy, atheist hating, jew hating, communist hating, �axis of evil� hating � B Corrected to add � not really a Jew hater, unless they stop buying from his defense contractors� [ May 17, 2002: Message edited by: brighid ]</p>

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05-17-2002, 08:42 AM	#32
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Well he wasn't a True Christian ...

05-17-2002, 08:45 AM	#33
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	yeah, more like an atheist-hating, Jew-hating, communist-hating old painter that managed to come to power only because the Depression gave him a chance.

05-17-2002, 08:46 AM	#34
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	FF: "'cause otherwise, life is meaningless without God." What a pathetic admission. Speak for yourself, buddy. FF: "We would just be little people who may or may not be able to get off this little overcrowded planet." Ever hear of the space program? Let's try this again. Why is any aspect of the Christian myth necessary? Don't plead limited human understanding. You're the one pushing this nonsense. You must have some thoughts on the matter that weren't spoonfed to you by your fellow cultists. (Yeah, right. )

05-17-2002, 08:59 AM	#40
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	He did forgive people in his normal self (remember David?). He had to abolish the old laws (the ones that orthodox Jews still cling to) in order to set us free, because the law just condemns. It is just all part of His plan to save His children (all 6 billion people on earth) from the jaws of hell (where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth), but some people just choose to condemn themselves.

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