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Old 04-24-2003, 10:15 PM   #11
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Does Mturner post on the internet infidels boards? Does he have the same name?
Mturner posted here, under the same name, for about a week before he was banned for slinging the "Nazi" epithet around a bit too freely.
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Gentlemen (I'm assuming you are all gentlemen - the only one I can speak to for certain is RBH.)

Thank you for your concern and your input. I have some followup questions (by the way, Pim appears to have prior experience with Mr. (Dr.?) Borger):

1) Does he really have any degrees?

2) What, exactly is he talking about? From what little I have gleaned, he is basically stating that phylogenic trees are an artifact of constrained mutation sites - which appears to be nonsense.

3) I note a sudden change in sentence structure, grammar, and spelling between his earlier posts and his later ones. Does this have any significance that you are aware of?

Again, thank you. II is certainly the friendliest internet board I have visited (one of my grad students is currently hanging out on Cafe.PlanetWisdom and has said that the fundamentalist Christians there are almost uniformly uncivil).


Edited to add: "Hanging out" is the right term, yes?
1. Peter has a PhD in some sub-discipline of molecular biology. His legitimate research, for what it's worth, has been done as an asthma researcher. As a friend of mine put it, he specializes in squirting toxins on cells to see whether or not they shrivel up and die. This of course has nothing to do with his Internet posts...

2. That is apparently his opening salvo on ISCID. He uses it to explain his insistence on the existence of non-random mutations - by which he essentially means directed mutation. You'll never pin him down to a specific prediction based on it, however. Non-random mutation is a foundational principle in his multi-purpose genome, which in turn is the basis for his "General Universal Theory of Biology - GUToB". To be honest, we never got much further. It sounds to me like a fancied up version of the "degeneration from perfection at the Fall" argument, but the reality is there were so many extraneous bits thrown in that I never could figure out exactly what he was talking about.

3. I don't know whether that is significant or not. Maybe a short-lived lucid moment? I think he tends to get out of sorts when people disagree with him, and that may contribute to his poor grammar, etc. Or it could just be a medication problem.

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Pim brought up one of th eissues I tried to raise with Kooky Borger - namely that he draws all-encompassing conclusions form tiny amounts of data. Pim just mentioned the ZFY paper that Borger hung his hat on - noting that it only looked at a section of one exon (~300 bp) .

Borger had also hung his hat on the Adcock et al. mtDNA paper in which a 350 bp section of mtDNA was looked at. I told him that the entire mtDNA genome had been analyzed, and he insisted that that did not matter because the Adcock paper was looking at subspecies.

He claimed that, using the Adcock data, chimp would have diverged form humans only 150,000 years ago, therefore, evolution is wrong.

I pointed out that when examining the entire mtgenome, analyses place it at the standard 5-7 million year range. He blew it off, insisting that the 350 bp fragment in Adcock superceded the entire genome.

He is an a-hole, basically.
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RBH,

Thank you for bringing up a pleasant memory of my bachelor, Norwegian, farmer great-uncle who didn't call it snoose, but preferred, instead, to indulge in a pinch of "snuff" now and then.


Pierre

(He passed away nearly 20 years ago.)
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Mturner posted here, under the same name, for about a week before he was banned for slinging the "Nazi" epithet around a bit too freely.
He actually posted here for quite awhile a couple of years ago. He dropped off when he decided to troll ARN, and then returned for a brief period only to get himself banned for his postings in the political forum. Or more specifically, he was banned for not heeding the warnings of the moderators who asked him nicely to ease up. You may have noticed he's somewhat belligerent.

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You may have noticed he's (mturner) somewhat belligerent.

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SOMEWHAT???

Not only is he beligerant, but he is pretty scientifically ignorant, as well. He has - on at least two occasions that I have seen - admitted to not understanding scientific papers. Yet this does not stop him from proclaiming all scienitsts wrong and his inept musings right...
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Mturner is actually a troll? I understood this to be a term indicating that the person did not in fact, hold the belief he was posting on, and merely did it for incindery purposes, yes?

Would that make 'Truthseeker' who also posts on ARN a troll?

By the way, it appears that I will have to deal with the single-generation speciation claims of Dr. Borger, since Rex Kerr and Pim are doing an excellent job of pointing out how groundless Borger's claims are.
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Mturner is actually a troll? I understood this to be a term indicating that the person did not in fact, hold the belief he was posting on, and merely did it for incindery purposes, yes?
It can mean that, but sometimes it's used to refer to a person who is obnoxious and abusive or otherwise unpleasant to deal with. More specifically, a person who makes inflamatory posts to get a rise out of people. It has a double meaning: it can be the monster under the bridge, or it can be what a fisherman does to see what he can snag.

I used the term loosely of course. I have no doubt that mturner is sincere about his beliefs, however incoherent they are.

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