moon

You are definitely missing something.

I am not even going to go into this fairy tales about Castro being a brutal dictator. If you have some evidence of his brutality or dictating, I'd like to see it.

The question you ask assumes that Cuba just sort of dropped out of the heavens into the Caribbean, without a history, and without any context, that Cuba has been allowed to develop in relative peace, and so forth. In fact, Cuba has been under attack by the U.S. for over 40 years, through economic strangulation and near-constant terrorist activities. It is absurd to expect a small nation like Cuba, under attack by the world's biggest superpower, to be a model of openness and democracy. In fact, I am surprised at just how democratic and open Cuba is. It is much more democratic than the U.S., for example. But, that is another story.

Why do Cuban's come here? Well, why do Mexicans risk their lives to come here in the millions? You do realize that many more Mexicans die trying to escape capitalist Mexico than drown trying to get from Cuba to the U.S., right?

The most obvious answer is that they hope for a better life. The material conditions in the U.S. are much better than in Cuba. So, that is one reason. Another reason why Cubans come to the U.S. is because of U.S. immigration policy that grants automatic asylum to any Cuban who reaches American soil. This is only true in the case of Cuba. In the case of Haiti, for example, when it was ruled by a military junta that was slaughtering dissidents on the streets of Port-au-Prince, the U.S. was sending asylum seekers who reached the U.S. right back to Haiti to get slaughtered. Nothing even remotely comparable to the oppression in Haiti or the Dominican Republic, etc., was going on in Cuba, but the U.S. had this policy only for Cuba.

It is for propaganda, so that ignoramouses on internet message boards can cry about the Cuban's fleeing Cuba, while ignoring the worse situations in the region.

So, those are some of the reasons. There are others, such as the flood of pimps, con-artists, drug dealers, reactionaries, and other sorts of riff-raff that flee Cuba because they aren't able to ply their trades in Cuba.

It is very stupid to say that I hate America. What does that mean, anyway, to hate America? Does that mean that one hates Yosemite Valley, or the people who live in Ohio, or the Nebraska plains?

No, what I hate is injustice. I hate the ruling class in America. I hate the imperialist system that oppresses billions around the world and seeks to make the whole world the Third World. I hate the regressive nature of the ruling system that prevents the full flowering of humanities productive powers. Does that mean I hate America? Only if you identify "America" with the ruling class.

Why don't I move? The fight for communism is an international struggle. Communism can only succeed by uniting the working classes of the world. You don't succeed by simply moving to another country.

By the way, it is disgusting that someone so lacking in critical faculties would use the name of a great thinker like Adam Smith as his username.

Me and Me

I agree

Adam Smith may have been wrong on alot of fundamental things, but he was definately one of the giants of economic theory.

Krieger

Excellent points. My sentiments exactly.

cjack

I believe the evidence of his brutality was posted earlier. You dismissed it with a wave of your hand and called it "lies" and "anti-communist propagande," which appears to be your only response when confronted with the unpleasant facts about the Castro regime.

Also, why do you not answer the question about elections? When was the last time there was a multi-party election in Cuba? What is the name of the last candidate to run against Castro? If a person siezes power in a military coup, and refuses to let anyone challenge his authority, he is a dictator...plain and simple.

You won't "go into" this because you cannot reasonably refute the fact of his dictatorship.


And you claim to want justice!

You do realize that most of the Mexicans who come to the U.S. are not trying to "escape" Mexico at all, don't you? Most of them are migrants who cross the border to work and then return to Mexico to be with their families.


And you keep whining about Cuba being "under attack" by the U.S. for 40 years. How can you forget that for 75 percent of that time, Cuba was supported by the most powerful Marxist state that has ever existed? If Cuba is such a workers paradise, and Castro is such a brilliant and benign leader, then surely the backing of the mighty Soviet Union should have been more than enough to balance out the influence of the evil American capitalist pig-dogs...right?

Oh, I forget...the "constant" terrorist attacks from the imperialist dogs in America have beaten down the once-great Cuban people...when was the last terrorist attack, again?

Kinross

I respectfully asked you a very straight forward question and you answer me by personally attacking my intelligence. Do you think this helps your argument?

The fact is that you hate the American system, fine I'm ok with that, but by living and working here you contribute to the GDP of the system you hate adding fuel to the machine.

You could try staying here and convert the masses to your communistic cause. Honestly though, when someone respectfully asks you a direct question about your worldview and you end with the equivalent of "and your mother dresses you funny" it really doesn't help your cause at all.

Personally I see you as a young guy who grew up in in the charmmed life in upper middle class suburbia looking for something to rebel against. You have probably never stepped foot off of American soil and get your world view from revolutionary pamphlets written by similar people.

The fact is communism tried and failed miserably. It was born out of the industrial revolution and its time has come and past. No, capitalism is not perfect but it is the best system out there. Every capitalisic country, France, Germany, Spain, Australia, etc, has a higher standard of living than your so called seedlings of communism which are nothing short of authoritarian regiems.

Yea yea I know, nothing but capitalistic pig lies, spare me. Until you can engage in a logical conversation without telling everyone they are lying or making personal attacks your arguments are worthless.

Try living living in Cuba and come back and tell us what a great guy Castro is, thats if he doesn't imprison you first.

beyelzu

I am reposting a post so maybe moon will respond


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Furthemore, I find your pretensions to caring about the people of Cuba absolutely despicable. I say again, Cuba has been under unrelenting attack by the world's biggest superpower for 4 DECADES. To place the blame for Cuba's problems anywhere but at the feet of U.S. imperialism is simply sheer cynical manipulation of the tribulations of the Cuban people for your own political purposes.


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And I repeat what others have said until 10 years ago cuba was supported by the worlds second biggest superpower. Why do you seem to forget that?


moon, you did imply that cuba cracks down on civil liberties because of the "us imperialism."




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Keep in mind that Cuba has been living under an embargo for 4 decades running, and has been the target of the most sustained terrorist attacks of any country in history. Cuba is basically under siege by the U.S. Under similar circumstances, European states have done much worse. Under much less severe circumstances, the U.S. has done much worse.
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so cuba was supported by the soviet union and you did imply that castro destroyed human liberties because of us imperialism.


If you say you didnt, read my above quote and then apologize for lying.