Seraphim

By winstonjen

Um, Seraphim, people don't need to live by the bible or according to Xian teachings. Just because it's a major influence in their lives doesn't mean they give in to it and live according to it. They aren't in a prison. They have broken free. You appear to be in the prison, Seraphim, because you would never consider suicide an option for you, so you are imprisoning yourself in your own body, and in this life. Me personally, I don't care if this is the only life we get - I value quality over quantity.

My reply : I'm partially agree with you. People don't need to live by religion IF they know how to live in peace with themselves and everyone and everything around them, unfortunately, they don't.

Religions/teachings (OF any kind) to me is nothing more than a roadmap which leads to inner peace of mind and body and peace with everything in general. IF a religion do not give such peace, they should throw it away and follow something which does gives them peace.

When I said they are in prison, I meant mental prison rather than one in social. Despite of giving up in Christianity, their mindset is still in Christianity because they were born and raised in such environment. They were taught to think like a Christian (blind faith and all) and now, when they reject the teaching, they cannot reject the way they think and that is what eating them up.

I'm in prison? Partially true in term of desire and suffering. I'm in prison of desires that cause me suffering.
However, ending my life is not a way to deal with this prison, accepting it and living IS.

You say you value quality of life rather than quantity ... acceptable but you don't seems to follow your own advice.
What do you attend to add to your life to make it such a high quality? Commiting suicide do not make it either quality nor add its quantity, it simply waste it.

Mad Kally

My goodness, aren't you the armchair psychologist. I was abused physically and mentally in the name of the lord. I was taught fear and guilt. I was lucky enough to escape that prison in my mind that they brainwashed me into. I'm getting better. Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't be popping myself. Life is so much better recovering from all that insanity. I feel sorry for you.

Amos

I'ts called the "joy of the lord," isn't it?

winstonjen

Suicide can prevent further pain and distress (of course, I would not advise it except in dire circumstances). Would you rather have pain or no pain if those were your only choices?

Mad Kally

No pain, no fear of hell. (the myth)

winstonjen

I though it was the "Joy of being a bigot and pain in the ass to anyone not like you."

Seraphim

By Mad Kally

My goodness, aren't you the armchair psychologist. I was abused physically and mentally in the name of the lord. I was taught fear and guilt. I was lucky enough to escape that prison in my mind that they brainwashed me into. I'm getting better. Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't be popping myself. Life is so much better recovering from all that insanity. I feel sorry for you.

My reply : IF you think you are over it (Christianity), then Fine. Nothing else matters, right?


By winstonjen

Suicide can prevent further pain and distress (of course, I would not advise it except in dire circumstances). Would you rather have pain or no pain if those were your only choices?

My reply : I will still choose the pain of living than comfort of death. Do you know why? Because you will not be able to do anything when you are dead.

And if you think you can live a quality life without getting the pain, you are mistaken as well. There is only two options - Live and suffer the pain YET experience what is to be alive, or DIE and achieve nothing YET have eternal rest (in Atheist's case, as fertilizers in the ground since there is no afterlife). Your choice.

winstonjen

Only two options? False dichotomy, I believe. What about trying to reduce the pain?

Seraphim

Only two options? False dichotomy, I believe. What about trying to reduce the pain?

My reply : And how do you reduce the pain, mind adding that as well?

Note : I'm talking about the pain of living - going through life with all those challenges hitting you in the face every so often, NOT the physical pain.

winstonjen

Choose which problems are worth dealing with, and try to consider other options. Just having the OPTION of suicide comforts a lot of people.