snatchbalance

ju'iblex,

Yes your horse is very high.

1. I will stand by my statement that rank and file males are just as subject to objectification as rank and file females. Victim is your word, not mine.

Try: canonfodder, sugar daddy, momma's boy, beast of burden, walking wallet, meal ticket, etc.

Not overtly sexual, but objects none the less.

2. As far as men being forced into fatherhood, you may want review the thread entitled, "sexual ethics", before climbing back onto your horse.

SB

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Amen-Moses

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ju'iblex:
interesting you havent considered the other side of that street.

I have.

i havent said men are not objectified, im saying, in our society, it is far less common for this to be done when speaking relatively.

Well here we disagree, I would say it is at least equal if not now slightly in womens favour.

i cant speak for what you have seen, and also that was your perception of the characterisation, not exactly conclusive stuff.

Care to give an example of the opposite characterisation?

that, Amen-Moses, is offensive and utter tripe.

Why?

a delightful combination of stereotype, generalisation and stupidity. initially, you complain about seeing men being objectified sexually in society, and you reiterate that, then say you too would like to be objectified in such a way. what a complete hypocrite you are, not to mention by that last sentence a misogynist as well.

Who ever said I was complaining about the sexual objectification of men? It is a fact of life and for the most part women seem quite happy with it whilst moaning about the same objectification when applied to them, why complain about Anna Kournikova yet ignore James Blake?

and my most important point, who the hell dreams about Clooney or Segal?

Replace them with whoever you like, the point remains. The most common female sexual fantasy is that of having sex with famous men, the most common male fantasy is that of their partners having sex with other men, why is that do you think?

And whilst you are at it why do these objects feign pleasure again?

Amen-Moses

snatchbalance

Ladyshea,

Here's an interseting quote from one of your links:

If you go through some of the detailed data, I think you will find the the males in the study, in general, were better qualified than the women.

SB

snatchbalance

Ladyshea,

Another quote you may find interesting.

My only point is, to use a cliche:

There are 3 kinds of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics.

SB

Viti

Yes, there are exceptions and the studies I linked to were fair and objective....in general however, women's salaries are less than men's.

Panta Pei

Yes, there are exceptions and the studies I linked to were fair and objective....in general however, women's salaries are less than men's. "

I'm really too lazy to look right now, LadyShea, surely there aren't any cavemen here in this thread arguing this point...uh, are there?

Amen-Moses

Nope, I think there may be some disagreement on the reasons for the disparity but a little anecdote from my own past may shed some light on the subject:

Back in the late 70's a little bit of legislation called the sex equality act forced the British armed services to enlist women for roles that until then had been denied them, my particular trade being one of them. The training for these roles is expensive, paid for by the tax payer, and lasts nearly two years after which the entrant is supposed to serve at least another 7 years for their country. Of the 6 women that joined the same entry as me only 1 did so. The rest enlisted, did the training and then got married, pregnant and left the forces within a couple of years of finishing their training. The tax payer's bill for this was enormous not only in training costs but in paying for the doubling of amenities required at previously male only establishments. Try working out what it cost to install womens toilets in every military building, not only in Britain but in every overseas base.

I questioned one of the girls just before we left training as to her reasons for joining up as she had been lowest in the class for virtually every phase except first aid (she had previously been a trainee nurse!) only barely making the pass marks required (the rumour mill being that noone would dare fail her for fear of being accused of sexism) and she said "Where better to find a husband!

Amen-Moses

tronvillain

Amen-Moses:
By other men? Sizing up the competition perhaps.

While virtually none of the large amount of porn I consume has a storyline or depicts personalities, I would speculate that porn's largely male audience is (unsurprisingly) primarly interested in the women.

A little insecure are we? While money does rate somewhat higher with women than men, I doubt that you are being objectified as a walking wallet. As for sexual objectification, men are probably ahead of women, but I'd say women are catching up.

Now, who here has the concentration to fantasize about someone else while you're having sex? I find myself to involved in having sex for the thought to even cross my mind.

What the hell? I sincerely doubt that the most common male fantasy is that of their partners having sex with other men. A common fear perhaps, but not a fantasy.

Viti

I thought the most common male fantasy was their partner and another WOMAN both having sex with him

snatchbalance

I prefer MMF. It provides the F more pleasure, and it can serve to give me a break; kind of like tag team wrestling.

SB

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