phaedrus

Zar

I think the most workable definition of "objective" I have seen used is to simply separate evidence that is characterized as existing outside of the mind or "soul" (objective) from evidence that is characterized as coming from within (subjective.)

But the mind percieves the separate evidence based on its historical and cutlural grounding right? Does that mean the evidence can be called "objective" only if there is no interpretation done based on previous experiences and current knowledge and current belief system? How will we separate the both?

An objective example: A car sped away from this spot because all standing here can see the tire marks left behind.

A subjective example: I have a feeling a car sped away from this spot because my intuition tells me so, though no one else's can seem to.

Umm, I dont think i am comfortable with the analogy. For me subjective would be, based on the tire marks, the individual comes to the conclusion that it is particular model of an automobile at high/low speed. If an individual had seen the car speed away after an accident and no one else has seen it, would it be subjective?

Also, it doesn't much matter whether you'd like to apply different words to what I have just said, or whether you have a different definition. The important point I mean to make is that these ideas applied to these terms seem useful to having a productive conversation.

Well how can you have a productive conversation when you state that it doesn't much matter whether you'd like to apply different words to what I have just said, or whether you have a different definition . Isnt it subjective?

JP

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There is an adequate reason to believe in a theory only up the point it has been proven false, but beyond that it either has to be modified or abandoned altogether. A classic example of this was Fred Hoyle's Steady State Theory where matter was supposed to be continually created as the universe expanded and thus was thought at the time to fit in neatly with the expanding universe. But when Penzias and Wilson had accidently discovered the Microwave Rackground Radiation, it was time then to abandon the theory.
Georges lemaitre had first formulated a primordial atom theory a precursor to the big bang theory and the big bang theory really came of age when George Gamow believed that if the big bang theory was right and the universe emerged from a hot fire ball like from George Lemaitre's primordial atom then the should be some relic radiation left over.
Well he believed right.

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