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Old 05-29-2003, 01:01 PM   #11
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Not just hamstrings, but kills and buries it. I agree that you have a very good parallel there - surely some books are around on Lysenkoism and how it destroyed a generation of Russian biology, and screwed agriculture over into the bargain. The thought processes at AiG and ICR are identical to the Stalinists' as far as "purity of ideology" goes. There must be a good article - hell, maybe a master's thesis - in your idea.
Hmmm..... how much of an effect did this *movement* have on geologic studies in Russia?

I expect it must have been significant, but in my experience, Russian geologic research has always been rather good - minus the fact that many times one cannot deduce the scale nor location [which was intentionally left out] of some/most of the research... but at least the *science* is good.

How long did this last and is it still affecting research today?
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rox - I'm not any sort of expert on this, but I understand that the biological sciences were the only ones really affected - Stalin didn't feel that Mendelian genetics was very Marxist, and studying it might have undermined the rule of the proletariat. The whole Lysenko spin started dying out after Stalin died, and has been pretty much forgotton as far as I know. It never really affected geology, 'cause I guess rocks can't be workers for the Soviet anyway.
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rox - I'm not any sort of expert on this, but I understand that the biological sciences were the only ones really affected - Stalin didn't feel that Mendelian genetics was very Marxist, and studying it might have undermined the rule of the proletariat. The whole Lysenko spin started dying out after Stalin died, and has been pretty much forgotton as far as I know. It never really affected geology, 'cause I guess rocks can't be workers for the Soviet anyway.
ha! I guess not!!!

Okay, the biological implications make sense and who but nerds care about geology anyway?

As for literature, if I remember correctly, written works have always been very important to the Russian people, so I can see how that would be important to the Soviets as well.

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[B]rox - I'm not any sort of expert on this, but I understand that the biological sciences were the only ones really affected - Stalin didn't feel that Mendelian genetics was very Marxist, and studying it might have undermined the rule of the proletariat.
Right. "Mendelism-Weismanism-Morganism" in Stalin's time was the equivalent of "evolutionism" to a fundamentalist. One of the reasons given was that genes were an idealist concept, opposed to the materialism underlying Marxist philosophy.

At least, today's fundamentalists don't have the power to send people to the Gulag, or worse.

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