hezekiah jones

Typical. Why do you folks continue to engage this slippery character?

Dr Rick

...because, HJ, Radorth does more to discredit Christianity than any poster I've encountered here. He's an example of what most of us don't want to be, and a warning to those that might contemplate theism of what can happen when one abandons rational thinking.

Rick

Radorth

What "folks" were you referring to there Hez?

I doubt they ever will stop responding. As long as I stick to arguments related to the issue at hand, use relatively few gratuitous assertions and insults, post facts and make intelligent distinctions, "folks" will tune in, and hopefully respond. Others, who don't much abide free thought, will simply attack the messenger because they're afraid the average II reader is stupid, I presume.

Rad

Cthulhu

Which you never do.

Which you never do.

Which you never do.

Such as yourself.

Describes your attitude to a tee.

christ-on-a-stick

Dr. Rick said, ...and I couldn't possibly agree more.

"This is your brain."
"This is your brain on (ignorant superstitious bronze-age goatherder's) RELIGION!!!"

beastmaster

Gnostic Xnty makes a ton more sense than Paul's bullshit Xnty. Gnostic theology solves most (if not all) of the obvious logical problems with Xnty.

You're right, Justin, Gnosticism is respectable -- it's a mythology for sure, but at least it's a coherent one.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by Radorth:
As long as I stick to arguments related to the issue at hand, use relatively few gratuitous assertions and insults, post facts and make intelligent distinctions, "folks" will tune in, and hopefully respond.

Ha. That's exactly why I asked the question.

Radorth: Miracles, faith healing, speaking in tongues ...

Fenton: Have some evidence of these things?

Radorth: Jesus mythers are irrational.

Like I said, typical.

Muad'Dib

Hey folks,

I'm not a mod or anything, but can we try to keep the discussion on track here? I'd hate to lose what we have already to another round of name-calling.

Thanks!
Muad'Dib

hezekiah jones

Fair enough; my apologies. Do carry on.

Mageth

Oh I dunno. 10,000 after-death and near-death experiences, quite a few lasting hours to days?

I know. All caused by oxygen deprivation, and liars.

First I don't think I've ever said that people who experience NDEs are "liars." I know many people experience something that's referred to as NDE. But I've never heard of one lasting days. And the oxygen deprivation explanation is just one of many possible natural explanations.

Second, there's no such phenomenon as an "after-death exprience." Everyone who has had such an experience lived to tell about it; that's why they're called near-death experiences. When you're dead in the sense I was using in my post, you're dead. Buried, cremated, mummified, etc.

And that kind of death is what Christian was referring to when he said "nobody technically "dies" as in "ease to exist,"" and what I was replying to in my post - not "clinically dead" people being revived (and who thus were not dead in the sense we were discussing). So please don't change the subject.

What's the difference? He doesn't have to be perfectly omniscient of everything to be a good God, or to be infinitely more wise and powerful than us. There were other reasons Jesus came in the flesh as well. (See Hebrews)

I've read Hebrews, and know the other reasons Christ supposedly visited us. But once again, those other reasons are not what was being discussed. We were discussing Chrisitan's claim that Christ came so god could "experience" human existence. So please don't change the subject.

Perhaps he's knocking at a door you haven't opened yet.

I had the doors opened for the first 45 years of my life and all I caught was a chill. But we were talking about the incarnated Man-God physically fellowshipping with "us", so please don't change the subject.

No. There are simple and just conditions some will refuse to meet.

We were talking about Christ "dying to save his enemies". If his enemies are not saved, but only those who become his "friends" by meeting his "simple and just conditions", then you can't say he died to save his enemies. So please don't change the subject.

Does anyone else sense a theme here?