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Albion · 08-22-2002, 12:47 PM

Lurking in the Shadows.

08-22-2002, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by St. Pete:
The fall of religion will happen someday, but not for a long, LONG time, and it will happen gradually. After the last believers are gone, the churches of today will be to them like Greek temples and Stonehenge are to us today - interesting relics of the past. Future tour guides at cathedrals will say "Now here is where the leader stood. He was called a priest. He performed rituals and the people prayed to a man in the sky called 'God' for relief of their suffering. They also ate small crackers, which they believed were pieces of man's body who they thought was this 'God's' son. I know it sounds strange, but back then, people didn't know what we know now, so they created this God to satisfy their need for answers." The tourists will nod and think "how fascinating!" Over time, future rebellious teenagers will come home with crucifixes and announce they are now Christian, and their parents will roll their eyes and say "I can't wait for THIS phase to end! Last week she called herself a Druid, now this!"

ROFLMAO!!! I only wish I could live long enough to see it really happen.

Totalitarianist · 08-22-2002, 02:05 PM

Wow. Quite a bit of meaningless ad hominem. Well
done.

Totalitarianist · 08-22-2002, 02:16 PM

You are right. The fairly rational atheists will support communism, and the very rational atheists will support capitalism.

Oh yes, we are going to embrace a form of
government that causes more deaths and
starvation than communism

Silly
Capitalist.

No collectivists ever do... at first.

Actually, I said that only to not risk getting a
ban. I love the human race, you see. The human
race. Not trivial individuals or people that
cause a threat to the human race, like
Capitalists. The end justifies the means.

Eudaimonist · 08-22-2002, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trebaxian_Vir:
Oh yes, we are going to embrace a form of
government that causes more deaths and
starvation than communism

Silly
Capitalist.

Are you comparing capitalism to your theoretical non-existent communism? Or to the real communism that has caused far more deaths than capitalism as a matter of historical record? Remember my book recommendation? Read it and face reality.

Quote:

Actually, I said that only to not risk getting a ban. I love the human race, you see. The human race. Not trivial individuals or people that cause a threat to the human race, like Capitalists. The end justifies the means.

Thank you for proving my point.

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Eudaimonist ]

Totalitarianist · 08-22-2002, 02:23 PM

Tell me, would you be up in arms if the place where a freethinkers' organization once met was turned into a church? If so, then you are being a hypocrite.

Yes, only because it is something that I support.
I do not support Christianity. I am proud of my
enemies.

Wouldn't religious people have a right to get upset if you turned their churches to the opposite of what they were intended to be?

What evidence do you have for "rights"? Do you
have any scientific evidence? There is no reason
for an Atheist to believe in "rights". That
would imply something superworldly.

I am really not sure how to take that "Stalin had a wonderful sense of humor" bit, unless you think he laughed while he was ordering people killed.

How does his ordering people to be killed relate
to his sense of humour? This is irrelevant.

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]

Perchance · 08-22-2002, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trebaxian_Vir:
Wow. Quite a bit of meaningless ad hominem. Well
done.

And your similar ad hominem against religious people was all right?

Seriously, I think the churches can only be turned to another use if their current use is dead and no one objects. What would happen if the religious right gained control of the government and forbade the teaching of evolution, or hunted down all communists? Would you feel that you should yield because they are in power, or because their ends justify their means?

-Perchance.

bonduca · 08-22-2002, 02:25 PM

Oooh...communism. Working for free, shouting inane slogans, and wearing ill-fitting, unflattering clothing. How can a girl resist?

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]

Perchance · 08-22-2002, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trebaxian_Vir:

Yes, only because it is something that I support.
I do not support Christianity. I am proud of my
enemies.

But theists don't have a right to support their theism and protest against the improper use of churches?

Quote:

What evidence do you have for "rights"? Do you
have any scientific evidence? There is no reason
for an Atheist to believe in "rights". That
would imply something superworldly.

[quibble]I'm an agnostic.[/quibble]

By "rights" I mean things like the right to free speech, the right of assembly, and other things the Constitution protects, all of which are human-granted and based on, among other things, negotiation with others. Not God-given rights.

Quote:

How does his ordering people to be killed relate
to his sense of humour? This is irrelevant.

I was wondering how you could think someone like Stalin had a sense of humor.

-Perchance.

Totalitarianist · 08-22-2002, 02:29 PM

Remember my book recommendation? Read it and face reality.

<a href="http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/commie.html" target="_blank">http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/commie.html</a>

I hear this is the best the anti-Communists have
got. Laughable.

Thank you for proving my point

NP

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]

08-22-2002, 02:23 PM	#36
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Tell me, would you be up in arms if the place where a freethinkers' organization once met was turned into a church? If so, then you are being a hypocrite. Yes, only because it is something that I support. I do not support Christianity. I am proud of my enemies. Wouldn't religious people have a right to get upset if you turned their churches to the opposite of what they were intended to be? What evidence do you have for "rights"? Do you have any scientific evidence? There is no reason for an Atheist to believe in "rights". That would imply something superworldly. I am really not sure how to take that "Stalin had a wonderful sense of humor" bit, unless you think he laughed while he was ordering people killed. How does his ordering people to be killed relate to his sense of humour? This is irrelevant. [ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]</p>

08-22-2002, 02:25 PM	#38
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	Oooh...communism. Working for free, shouting inane slogans, and wearing ill-fitting, unflattering clothing. How can a girl resist? [ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]</p>

08-22-2002, 02:29 PM	#40
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Remember my book recommendation? Read it and face reality. <a href="http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/commie.html" target="_blank">http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/commie.html</a> I hear this is the best the anti-Communists have got. Laughable. Thank you for proving my point NP [ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]</p>

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Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Lurking in the Shadows.

08-22-2002, 02:05 PM	#33
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Wow. Quite a bit of meaningless ad hominem. Well done.

08-22-2002, 02:16 PM	#34
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	You are right. The fairly rational atheists will support communism, and the very rational atheists will support capitalism. Oh yes, we are going to embrace a form of government that causes more deaths and starvation than communism Silly Capitalist. No collectivists ever do... at first. Actually, I said that only to not risk getting a ban. I love the human race, you see. The human race. Not trivial individuals or people that cause a threat to the human race, like Capitalists. The end justifies the means.

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