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Soul Invictus · 05-24-2003, 05:21 PM

Gurdur · 05-24-2003, 06:04 PM

Occasionally funny.

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...Marshal law now ruled the country, the government had to conform to the Banks demands to use Military Script. ....

Otherwise, slightly to very nutty (depending on which part), ridden with non sequiters, and overall seems like a simple typical conspiracy theory with no connection to the facts.

If it's supposed to be a parody, it's so nutty it fails. But I doubt it's supposed to be a parody.

Verdict on the whole (without looking at the rest of the website or possible associated material):

Useful for feeding to squirrels. Unlikely to generate much productive thought.

Soul Invictus · 05-24-2003, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
Occasionally funny.

Otherwise, slightly to very nutty (depending on which part), ridden with non sequiters, and overall seems like a simple typical conspiracy theory with no connection to the facts.

If it's supposed to be a parody, it's so nutty it fails. But I doubt it's supposed to be a parody.

Verdict on the whole (without looking at the rest of the website or possible associated material):

Useful for feeding to squirrels. Unlikely to generate much productive thought.

yeah i was looking for executive orders and somehow ran across it. I was hoping someone was already knowledgable in that it might be connected to facts!

Randi · 05-24-2003, 09:57 PM

Just because the overall slant in which it was written seemed slightly nutty(I think it was written by a Southerner) doesn't negate the facts he presented, and it this is true this argument has valid points:

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So, tell him the reason we are under Martial law/Executive rule is, because the 1787 Constitution was ripped to shreds, by the de facto Yankee Congress. Who, one, passed the 14th Amendment and the Reconstruction Acts without a lawful government, two, overrode the lawful veto of President Johnson, who declared the Acts unconstitutional, three, imposed the Reconstruction Acts and the 14th Amendment on the South, four, then re-declared war on the South after they had received a full pardon from President Johnson, five, removed the states constitutionally elected representatives from Congress, six, removed the lawful Republican governments of the southern states and put in place puppet governments controlled by the military governors, so the 14th Amendment would have the votes necessary to be ratified. Thereby, rendering the 1787 Constitution, which WAS the corporate Charter for the United States to do business, null and void, making it impossible for the United States to continue to do business under their Charter.

If this is true then the 14th Amendment should be declared unconstitutional, because I do know that this is the very same amendment that the courts decided applied to corporations allowing them to be declared "natural" citizens, personhood with all protections a flesh and blood person has under the Constitution. I will admit this really can't be done now, but I also know that the Supreme Court sidestepped the corporation/personhood issue by electing not to rule on a crucial suit, allowing by default the lower courts ruling to stand. In the end, the more I learn, the more depressed I get about it all.

emphryio · 05-25-2003, 08:50 AM

Well it is true about the 14 amendment which was supposed to concern slaves being used instead 90% of the time by corporations to justify their personhood.

But still seemed like a pretty kooky article.

oneofshibumi · 05-25-2003, 11:35 AM

The article does not have the author�s name. �The New History of America� cannot be found in books search.

As for his debate of the legality of the 14th amendment, while I agree the portion giving corporations personhood should be repealed. The argument that the vote was unconstitutional does not hold weight because the �South� had unconstitutionally had left the Union, because Lincoln was an agnostic. President Johnson was impeached because he tried to and succeeded in not to giving African Americans equal rights.
http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com...ues/iii-9a.htm

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 05-25-2003, 04:34 PM

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So, tell him the reason we are under Martial law/Executive rule is, because the 1787 Constitution was ripped to shreds, by the de facto Yankee Congress. Who, one, passed the 14th Amendment and the Reconstruction Acts without a lawful government,

Oh? Gee, why hasn't any Supreme Court noticed this at all? You know, in the last 140 years?

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two, overrode the lawful veto of President Johnson, who declared the Acts unconstitutional,

Which is their prerogative. Anyone who has EVER read the constituion knows this.

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three, imposed the Reconstruction Acts

Yeah, rebuilding a place where the railroad ties had been torn to shreds and framland burnt is SOOOO despicable.

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and the 14th Amendment on the South,

Yeah, those damned equal rights. Sucks that you have to treat people like people.

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four, then re-declared war on the South after they had received a full pardon from President Johnson,

When was this declaration of war imposed?

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five, removed the states constitutionally elected representatives from Congress

Which has also been done othertimes, also constitutionally.

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six, removed the lawful Republican governments of the southern states and put in place puppet governments controlled by the military governors, so the 14th Amendment would have the votes necessary to be ratified.

One of the terms of the Soutern surrender was the ratification of the 14th ammendment. You know, the treating of people like people? The south agreed, then reneged. Gee, what do you THINK happened?

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Thereby, rendering the 1787 Constitution, which WAS the corporate Charter for the United States to do business, null and void, making it impossible for the United States to continue to do business under their Charter.

This is almost too funny.

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05-25-2003, 08:50 AM	#5
emphryio Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WV Posts: 4,369	Well it is true about the 14 amendment which was supposed to concern slaves being used instead 90% of the time by corporations to justify their personhood. But still seemed like a pretty kooky article.

05-25-2003, 11:35 AM	#6
oneofshibumi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 749	The article does not have the author�s name. �The New History of America� cannot be found in books search. As for his debate of the legality of the 14th amendment, while I agree the portion giving corporations personhood should be repealed. The argument that the vote was unconstitutional does not hold weight because the �South� had unconstitutionally had left the Union, because Lincoln was an agnostic. President Johnson was impeached because he tried to and succeeded in not to giving African Americans equal rights. http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com...ues/iii-9a.htm

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