Seraphim

By The Naked Mage

Well my, my, my. Looks like SOMEone's never been depressed...

My reply : On the contrary, try living for nearly 30 years being depressed. No friends (who doesn't thinks you ain't a freak), no lovers (had one long enough to lose my virginity), no girlfriends (one each 10 years, only to lose them and suffer the loneliness and the broken heart).
To tell you the truth, I've sometimes wondered why I didn't pop myself ... maybe because it is my faith that kept me ...

It's NEVER a solution? To ANYTHING? C'mon, use your imagination.

My reply : My imigination? Lets see ... (not exactly a very strong field of expertise, but here we go ...).

I'm now dead ... (this is my soul taking ... actually spent an hour during the lunchtime to think it over).

I'm lying inside, dark, smelly, wet (due to rain) ground.
My neighbours are quiet types ... wait... they are dead as well so I guess they are minding their own business.
I can't move because they put me in a coffin, very stuffy here (mental note to myself : Cremation is preferred).
Those nasty bugs and maggot eating me inside out, can't do anything about that since I'm dead (Cremation DEFINATELY preferred).

My wife (assume I was married) cried overnight, went home and sleep through it. She probably thinks it is useless to think about me since I'm dead.
My children (assume I have some) cried for me, but they moved onward with their lives.
My friends? ... They drinking warm beer and toasting in my name and hope I won't get roasted wherever I was heading ... in a way, being in a wet ground is a merit considering the alternative.
I could give my left arm for a pack of cigarettes and a warm beer now ... and my right arm to poke some lady.

Not sure why, but what exactly did I achieve by dying?

[Mental note to myself : this is quite good ... maybe I should trying writing fanfics ...]

By Amie

I never thought I would see the day where I actually agree with the Naked mage on something. Thus there really is a God
Hi Seraphim
The problem is in the midst of a horrible clinical depression many are incapable of doing this. Just getting out of bed in the morning requires a great amount of motivation that many people who are depressed just don't have at the time. Its truly a horrible thing. Its a medical condition and not so easy to snap out of.

My reply : Then try changing lifestyles. Less things destructive like booze, sex, cursing etc. Trying to go out to the great outdoor a bit.
Is motivation so hard to find in your society? It's almost like we live in two different world.

Thats the problem, it *is* a solution. A permanent solution to what could end up to be a very temporary and treatable condition.

My reply : Solution means a way to cope with things so you could continue living. Dying is not seems to be in that category since you will not solve, fix or make things better by dying ... simply because you will be dead. Dead people (assuming there is no soul) do not feel anything, so they don't make anything better.

"Even though you destroy this world, the world you seek will not come" - a character called Hakkai said that. Simply means even so you killed yourself, whatever you seek will not appear.

... oh and Seraphim I absolutely love your user name

My reply : I choose it by accident, I guess. My username in another forum was Sephiroth, but that name already taken (by a moderator), so I tried to think of another name.

I had remembered a legend of Seraphim mating with a Human girl and having children (which suppose to be guides for Humans) but the whole thing didn't turn up properly. This children had good heart but their bodies were crippled and disfigured so they cried out for their father (Seraphim) to come and take them to heaven. It was very much similar to Sephiroth's story in Final Fantasy 7 and without think much, I choose it.

So there you have it, that is my motive and reason for choosing Seraphim.

Amie

Hi Seraphim
well I myself am not suffering with depression but I am inclined to think just being outside doesn't necessarily help the ones who are suffering. Seraphim depression is a serious medical condition not a state of mind caused by destructive behaviors.
yes perhaps we do however motivation for me is not so hard to find but then again for some who are suicidal and feeling absolute utter despair it is difficult to find...
no dearheart a solution is a way of solving a problem, coping is to deal effectively with something.
The premise would be an end to the pain, they may believe death will end their torment and any pain they are enduring. I dont agree with it as I think life is a valuable, beautiful gift from God however when one is in the throngs of a serious anguished mental state they may draw the conclusion that an escape is better than a tortured existence...

Amie

Thats interesting, I assumed it was something like this

Seraphim

Hi Seraphim
well I myself am not suffering with depression but I am inclined to think just being outside doesn't necessarily help the ones who are suffering. Seraphim depression is a serious medical condition not a state of mind caused by destructive behaviors.

My reply : I can't say much whether my understanding about depression is same as yours. Whatever way it is, I don't think swallow more pills and drugs is the solution ... it doesn't seems to be solving anything.

To me, depression is not caused by mental disorder, but more toward the unchanged environment. Living in the same place and forced to look at the same thing over and over again causes it. Which is why I always try, learn and experience new things.

yes perhaps we do however motivation for me is not so hard to find but then again for some who are suicidal and feeling absolute utter despair it is difficult to find...

My reply : Reminds me of a lesson my martial art instructor (Sensei) taught me ...
Ask yourself "Why" you wish to learn? And for What do you fight for? - That what he taught me and he said it will motivate me in learning better. It did.

Maybe it is time for those who are depressed to sit down and think properly what is it they are living for? is where they are heading is a proper place? Is what they hold (their principles, understanding etc) is proper?


no dearheart a solution is a way of solving a problem, coping is to deal effectively with something.

My reply : You can't fix everything, trying to do so is not something achievable.
You cannot make others love you because part of that love is in giving and what you didn't give, you cannot take.

Same way, coping with something is simply dealing with what you were thrown into and accepting what you have become. If you're a freak, then that what you are (at least that what I accepted myself to be ... IF I'm differ than others, so be it ... I will stop crying for my "father" and try and fly there myself).

The premise would be an end to the pain, they may believe death will end their torment and any pain they are enduring. I dont agree with it as I think life is a valuable, beautiful gift from God however when one is in the throngs of a serious anguished mental state they may draw the conclusion that an escape is better than a tortured existence...

My reply : how do they know that death is the end of those pain? How many of them had died and release from their suffering only to return back as a new person? It seems to me that it is the way some of them thinks about death.

You don't stop the pain, you simply dump it onto someone else's shoulders and die. Your loved ones will carry it as a burden for years.

Thats interesting, I assumed it was something like this

My reply : My name means an oversized fiery (as in in FIRE) SNAKE?

I thought Seraphim supposed to come like a man with four faces - a face of a Man, an Eagle, A Lion and his original light-bulb face (which said if stared at, will instantly killed someone ... the good side is that it will also make Seraphim bring them to heaven bypassing hell).
Well ... at least that was Scully said in the 1st episode of X-Files ...

The Naked Mage

Wow, you weren't kidding.


Did your version of "thinking it over" involve imbibing mass amounts of controlled substances in an effort to make yourself into the nut you are for the rest of this post?


All well and good reasons to avoid being BURIED ALIVE, but not really a good argument against being toppled into the ground with no brain activity, no pulse, and most of your insides replaced with plastic, Seraphim.


Being a lifeless piece of meat, I suspect you really wouldn't be in a position to ponder any of this, much less experience it firsthand. And as for cigarettes, warm beer, and a woman, studies have confirmed that corpses tend to rise from the grave with more of a craving for human brains.


Smartass answer: Chlorinating the gene pool?

Serious answer: That entirely depends on why you killed yourself.


Awful Link of the Day submission, here I come!


The trouble with this, Seraphim, is that the people who have identified depression as a mental disorder are actually licensed to comment on the matter, unlike yourself.


Or even better, just wave your magical fairy wand and wish yourself happy again!

Seraphim

Did your version of "thinking it over" involve imbibing mass amounts of controlled substances in an effort to make yourself into the nut you are for the rest of this post?

My reply : I used my imigination, didn't I?

All well and good reasons to avoid being BURIED ALIVE, but not really a good argument against being toppled into the ground with no brain activity, no pulse, and most of your insides replaced with plastic, Seraphim.

My reply : Good reason also to think before you pop yourself.

Being a lifeless piece of meat, I suspect you really wouldn't be in a position to ponder any of this, much less experience it firsthand. And as for cigarettes, warm beer, and a woman, studies have confirmed that corpses tend to rise from the grave with more of a craving for human brains.

My reply : Yes ... you wouldn't be in position to wonder all this things (unless you believe in souls). In any case, you couldn't achieve anything or make any difference either. All you will do is hurt yourself and your loved ones.

Smartass answer: Chlorinating the gene pool?

Serious answer: That entirely depends on why you killed yourself.

My reply : I killed myself because I'm too lazy to face my weakness and come with better solutions than a bullet in my brain and broken hearts of my loved ones. Once again - WHAT did I achieve?

Awful Link of the Day submission, here I come!

My reply : Keep reading craps like this and it is no wonder you will pop yourself.

The trouble with this, Seraphim, is that the people who have identified depression as a mental disorder are actually licensed to comment on the matter, unlike yourself.

My reply : Yes, I'm don't have any license or any qualifications to identify this depression as a mental disorder, but then again, those craps the doctors give (which include the drugs and theraphy) don't seems to be very helpful either ... does it?

People still popping themselves due to depression, people still taking drugs and going to therapy and people still not getting well. Comparing my rationale words against your medical profession, I think my rationale words bring better results than your medicine.

Or even better, just wave your magical fairy wand and wish yourself happy again!

My reply : You think anyone will care when you are 6 feet under? Your loved ones will torture themselves for years with a single memory - OF you, on the floor with your brain splatted all over the wall, then another memory of you in a coffin being lowered 6 feet under to be a fertiziller for maggots.

No one (especially God) said living will be easy, but everyone else is doing it ... some of them are doing better than you. So get up from your butt, go to them and see what they are doing right with themselves and stop whining about some medical doctor stating you are a mental disorder person. Once you accept such limitation to yourself, that is when trouble starts.

In another word - Yes, WISH yourself to be happy. Your choice compare to dark and cold grave (either in the soil or in hearts of your loved ones).

Mad Kally

According to the xians who raised me, there is no such thing as depression. It's demon possession. And of course anyone who kills themselves goes straight to hell. They say they are the TRUE Christians. (Mom and other cult members)

Seraphim

According to the xians who raised me, there is no such thing as depression. It's demon possession. And of course anyone who kills themselves goes straight to hell. They say they are the TRUE Christians. (Mom and other cult members)

My reply : You can tell your mom (no offence attended) and other members that they do not know a crap about possession and they will not recognise a Demon if it comes, sat down next to them in a Church and pray for them before laughing their sorry butts and returning back to the darkness.

Can't say much about Demon or their possessions since I have not witness one, but I have at least two accounts of possession by spirits (myself and another girl ... both who left with "unusual" side-effects).

But one thing for sure, possession do not have phases where you are better today, bad tomorrow, worse the day after that, slightly better the day after that etc. This simply the changes of chemical in your body (like period, mood swings etc) and it has nothing to do with supernatural.

I guess your mother couldn't answer your questions and her "friends" (the one you called cult members) simply choose the simplest answer they can find.

Why don't you ask them back if you are indeed possessed by a demon, why don't they exorcise you and make you feel better?

The Naked Mage

I don't know. Did you? Not being you, I couldn't saw whether or not it was some bad acid using you as its mouthpiece.

Christ, what an inane question.


Uh...no it wasn't, Seraphim. There ARE good reasons to think about swallowing a gun barrel, but that was not one of them. Are you even reading what I'm saying?


You're incorrect on that point as well. Depression is what hurts yourself and your loved ones. Suicide will, at most, just hurt your loved ones. YOUR hurting days will be long gone.


You've put an end to your weaknesses and personal problems without trying to peddle them off on innocent discussion board members, like you tried to do on the last page.

Let's see...in that post, you made it clear that you have no friends (except for the ones you DO have), no sex (except for that time you lost your virginity - quite a trick, that), and no love life (except for the various girlfriends you've had over the years). That is NOT clinical depression - that is being a whiny and self-absorbed loser with some sort of selective memory disorder.


Ooh! Reading craps? Can I do that in Vegas?


I understand why you likely don't know the first thing about the "craps" that doctors do for depression, seeing as how you likely only go to the doctor to steal Valium and morphine at gunpoint.


They ARE getting well, in that they are subduing the symptoms of depression. If you have a case study that says otherwise, feel free to present it now.


No offense, but I don't feel compelled to take a lecture on rationality from a person who can't even spell "rational" seriously. Furthermore, I never made mention of "medicine", unless you're referring to suicide, in which case you should have used quotation marks.


I don't care.


Wow. My family needs a shrink.


And how do you know how well I'm doing, exactly? I don't recall making a mention of it. Moreover, God doesn't say much of anything, but let's not get into that.


That's not the proper way to encourage someone with depression, Brainiac. And I never STARTED "whining about some medical doctor stating I am a mental disorder person" (nice choice of words there, truly mesmerizing). After all, what would a DOCTOR know about mental disorders anyway? [/HEAVYSARCASM]

The only one whining about anything on this thread is you whining about how more women won't let you insert your tube steak into their various orifices.
Riiiiiiiiight. And then I'll turn toxic waste into platinum through the process of digestion.

Seraphim

I don't know. Did you? Not being you, I couldn't saw whether or not it was some bad acid using you as its mouthpiece.

Christ, what an inane question.

My reply : My question was a simple one ... to a simple person who knows how to read properly anyway.

Uh...no it wasn't, Seraphim. There ARE good reasons to think about swallowing a gun barrel, but that was not one of them. Are you even reading what I'm saying?

My reply : Good reason to pop yourself? Hmph ... ONLY cowards needs to find reason to pop themselves because so they could convince themselves and others around them that they are trully pathetics and need to put to sleep.

I was trying to give others reasons to live for, not excuses for them to use to justify wasted death.

You're incorrect on that point as well. Depression is what hurts yourself and your loved ones. Suicide will, at most, just hurt your loved ones. YOUR hurting days will be long gone.

My reply : Fine if you think so. Who should care about their loved ones when they are suffering ... right? (sarcasm).

You've put an end to your weaknesses and personal problems without trying to peddle them off on innocent discussion board members, like you tried to do on the last page.

My reply : As I remember ... I wasn't the one who opened this thread, a person who wished for others' opinions did and my opinions like everyone else here is for that person's benefits (whether he/she accepts or not).

EVERYONE has weaknesses and personal problems, it is not how much we have but how well we deal with it. Blowing your brains out is not a way to solve your weaknesses and problems. In the end, if you do commit suicide, you will forever remember as a weakling and someone full of problems yet have no courage to deal with it.

Let's see...in that post, you made it clear that you have no friends (except for the ones you DO have), no sex (except for that time you lost your virginity - quite a trick, that), and no love life (except for the various girlfriends you've had over the years). That is NOT clinical depression - that is being a whiny and self-absorbed loser with some sort of selective memory disorder.

My reply : I got better with my social skills by overcoming my weaknessses and personal problems . What is your excuse for not doing it?

Ooh! Reading craps? Can I do that in Vegas?

My reply : Keep at it bub, you will most likely to place one foot into your own grave soon enough ... and NO ONE will give a crap when you do. WHY? Because you don't give a crap about yourself, why should others care for you?

But there is some good points coming out of your display of attitude problem ... it will show others what is a person who is cynically beyond help behaves ... and in that context, help them to see themselves better.

I understand why you likely don't know the first thing about the "craps" that doctors do for depression, seeing as how you likely only go to the doctor to steal Valium and morphine at gunpoint.

My reply : Hmph ... a poor show of an insult. Keep at it and maybe your doctors will help you when you pop yourself.

They ARE getting well, in that they are subduing the symptoms of depression . If you have a case study that says otherwise, feel free to present it now.

My reply : Keyword - Subduing the symptoms.
Those drugs are subduing the symptoms, they are NOT making the sickness going away. As long as they take the drugs, they have change to subdue it alone and risk having depression when they don't.

No offense, but I don't feel compelled to take a lecture on rationality from a person who can't even spell "rational" seriously. Furthermore, I never made mention of "medicine", unless you're referring to suicide, in which case you should have used quotation marks.

My reply : No offense also, but this post is for those who cares about themselves and those who wants to move on with their lives. You will not find any rationality to commit suicides NOR excuses either.

I don't care.

My reply : Good.

Wow. My family needs a shrink.

My reply : And when the shrink cannot help your family to deal with your death, depression will start and they too will start need medicines and drugs. Soon, those drugs won't help and they will pop themselves and join you 6 feet under as well.

And how do you know how well I'm doing, exactly? I don't recall making a mention of it. Moreover, God doesn't say much of anything, but let's not get into that.

My reply : And I don't remember asking about it either. There are others who have similar problem and a lot more who overcome their problems as well. If you don't wish to overcome yours, that I believe is YOUR problem, not mine or anyone else's.


That's not the proper way to encourage someone with depression, Brainiac. And I never STARTED "whining about some medical doctor stating I am a mental disorder person" (nice choice of words there, truly mesmerizing). After all, what would a DOCTOR know about mental disorders anyway? [/HEAVYSARCASM]

My reply : That's the ONLY way there is, smartty. Drugs and therapy doesn't seems to work where they (like you mentioned before) subdue the symptoms but never the disorder.

We (those who had managed to overcome their problems) have to encourage others to face their own weaknesses because the alternative is facing a barrel of a gun ... frankly speaking, I don't even wish my enemies to die in such a wasted ways.

PS : Your sarcasm sucks ... work on it. Sarcasm is about taking your opponent's words and throwing back at him in a way to revise what they said, NOT adding a new twist to already twisted words.

The only one whining about anything on this thread is you whining about how more women won't let you insert your tube steak into their various orifices.

My reply : My sex life is much better now than it was a few years back ... Thank you for asking.

Riiiiiiiiight. And then I'll turn toxic waste into platinum through the process of digestion.

My reply : Your life, your problems, your choices.

PS : You reminds me of Corgan Sow (whom I'm avoiding now) ... you two related?