Amos

That takes courage on your part because now you declare all the others wrong while never really knowing if there is a right or wrong. All you say is "they are wrong" or would you say that that is the wrong conclusion for me to draw?

Amos

Amos

Did you reject Catholicism? It is a religion that can't be studied but must be embraced.

It is kind of like leaving all reason (or civilization) behind and dive in head-first like into the river Seine, swimming to the other side and ascending Mountmartre on your knees to reach the Sacre-Coeur. Once there, you'll enjoy La place du Tertre and Pigalle (the third and fourth quarters of your life) forever.

Amos

David Gould

[quote]Originally posted by Amos:
<strong>I enjoy your postings, Amos. And you have certainly succeeded in confusing me on occasion. I know you are not here to convert me... I think that conversion is something you do to yourself.

Triple Six

You seem to have forgotten that islam is unique amongst cults in putting a death sentence on its former adherents. That is what I would call a rather large incentive to keep up the charade of belief even the individual concerned manages to work out the truth for themselves.

jojo-sa

duetoronomy old tetstament bible says the same


13:6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, that is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9but thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 13:10And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 13:11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do not more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.

and if you study a bit of Islam you will see why in certain cases this occurs. go and find out. you ignorance is a crime.


This statement is "funny". so you claim for things to work well it should last forever this is funny.

Just statement yet again says nothing and shows your ignorance concerning Islam. Back up your statements with quotes and reasons why and give examples. and look at the whole system.

anyway this thread is not about Islam, its about why some people are atheist . if you want to discuss the essense of Islam we could do that . on another thread or whatever aother way you prefer. Then at the same time I would like to see what system you offer. and how you make all this decisions you seem so proud of and what decisions they are exactly.

thanks

Orpheous99

Please. The roots are the same as with the Christian bible. In fact they still share much of the same myths and stories. The Qu'ran is more messed up than the Christian bible is.

The lyrics maybe different, but the melody is the same.

Oolon Colluphid

Is that the best reason you’ve got?!! Well you’d better learn some basic biology then. Come on over to the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=58" target="_blank">Evolution / Creation Forum</a> and we’ll explain to you why it didn’t “just happen”.

As a tempter, perhaps you’d like to explain to us how the route of the recurrent laryngeal nerve, the foetal teeth of baleen whales and the lifecycle of the Rickettsia prowazekii bacterium reflect on the “qualities of the Creator of the system”.

Cheers, Oolon

jojo-sa

oolon

yip thats it simple as that.

now its up to you to show me otherwise.

Lets star by say one small thing.

How did life come about?

virus or bacteria being from some of most simple forms. explain me exactly how it formed from pure atoms...

GunnerJ

And as we all know, pure atoms cannot form anything. Corrupted atoms are needed.

"Your ignorance is a crime."

Jerry Smith

Jo Jo Sa

It would be impossible for anyone to explain exactly how life got its start - we do not know the exact chemical pathway. I can explain to you what the best ideas current are, in a general way.

No proof exists of exactly what happened at the first of life, but if you are implying that God is necessary on account of this, you should at least examine what possibilities exist apart from divine intervention...

What I understand of the proto-science that deals with the origin of life on Earth goes like this:

(BEST IDEAS -- NOT PROVEN)::
(Starting from 'pure atoms')

Pure atoms are not in their lowest energy state. By extension of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and with an understanding of atomic structure, you will see that it was inevitable that compounds be formed from the pure atoms, some almost instantaneously as soon as the pure atoms came into existence.

Some of those atoms and compounds were to be found on the surface of this planet 3.5 billion years ago, on the exposed land, and in the water.

Some of those compounds consisted of longish chains composed of Carbon atoms and atoms of Oxygen, Hydrogen and occasionally Nitrogen and others attached to it.

These are called organic molecules, and some organic molecules have structures that can serve as a template for the creation of other molecules with the same structures. Some of them can store energy from the environment in their chemical bonds, and release it later.

Some of these chemicals can combine chemically to form more complex chemicals with similar features.

Some form nice shells through which certain small minerals and chemicals can pass.

Eventually, somewhere in the Gazillions of organic molecules on this planet 4.5 billion years ago, a fortuitous combination of these produced a self-replicating and metabolizing structure bounded by a protective shell. The metabolization came from the chemicals that can store energy in their chemical bonds and release them later. The replication was provided by the chemicals serve as a template for the creation of identical chemicals from the compounds present in the environment. The shells were provided by the 'shell-making' molecules (specifically phospho-lipids forming a two-layer sphere - this has been proven to happen spontaneously when the right chemicals are present in a lab: experiment by Stanley & Miller).

We do not know the exact features of this first reproducing and metabolizing cell, but it meets most current definitions of "alive".

The rest is history.... time to move over to the Evolution/Creation forum if you care about the science of what happened after that --- this is something that scientists have much more knowledge & evidence of than the reactions that gave life on Earth its start!!!