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MrDarwin · 03-04-2003, 01:02 PM

My question to Radorth:

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Originally posted by MrDarwin
If a person can claim to be, and even think, he is a Christian, but isn't, then how do we know that you are?

His reply:

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Originally posted by Radorth
Well if you don't know, how can you say I am the "worst witness" then? Your assertion is therefore based on speculation and unproven assumptions. I know, you take my word I'm a Christian, then immediately accuse me of being disingenuous on every other subject.

It is skeptics who assert Hitler was a Christian, so I'm calling their bluff and asking them to explain themselves if any agree with you that I am the "worst witness." We note you are dancing furiously around the question of whether you agree that Hitler was a Christian. Are you seriously claiming you never saw a worse person than I who claimed to be a Christian, and who you took at their word as you assert?

And you will studiously avoid the germaine question about me and Paul, or dance another jig, I'm sure.

(Another golden opportunity to prove me wrong Fenton, since I can think of two or three differences myself).

Rad

Radorth, I was about to compose a point-by-point reply to this when I realized it wasn't addressed to me at all (despite leading with a quote from my posting). Do you even bother to read the posts you're replying to?

Yellum Notnef · 03-04-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by MrDarwin
Radorth, I was about to compose a point-by-point reply to this when I realized it wasn't addressed to me at all (despite leading with a quote from my posting). Do you even bother to read the posts you're replying to?

I think he does this on purpose.

davidH · 03-04-2003, 01:37 PM

Just to say - was Hitler into the Occult?
- No Christian would.

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The Nazi conspirators suppressed religious education. In a speech on 7 March 1937, Rosenberg stated:
"The education of youth can only be carried out by those who have rescued Germany from disaster. It is therefore

[Page 274]

impossible to demand one Fuehrer, one Reich and one firmly united people as long as education is carried out by forces which are mutually exclusive to each other." (2351-PS)

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In a speech at Fulda, 27 November 1937 Reich Minister for Church Affairs Hans Kerrl stated:

"We cannot recognize that the Church has a right to insure that the individual should be educated in all respects in the way in which it holds to be right; but we must leave it to the National Socialist State to educate the child in the way it regards as right." (252-PS)

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A plan for the reduction of Theological Faculties was submitted by the Reich Minister for Science, Education and Training in April 1939 to Bormann, who forwarded it to Rosenberg for consideration and action. The plan called for shifting, combining and eliminating Theological Faculties in various schools and universities throughout the Reich, with the following results:

"To recapitulate this plan would include the complete closing of Theological Faculties at Innsbruck, Salzburg and Munich, the transfer of the faculty of Graz to Vienna and the vanishing of four Catholic faculties.

"a. Closing of three Catholic Theological Faculties or Higher Schools and of four Evangelic Faculties in the winter semester 1939/40.

"b. Closing of one further Catholic and of three- further Evangelic Faculties in the near future." (122-PS)

And perhaps the most striking of all:

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In a secret decree of the Party Chancellery, signed by Bormann, and distributed to all Gauleiters on 7 June 1941, the following statement concerning religious education was made:

"No human being would know anything of Christianity if it had not been drilled into him in his childhood by pastors. The so-called dear God in no wise gives knowledge of his existence to young people in advance, but in an astonishing manner in spite of his omnipotence leaves this to the efforts of the pastors.If therefore in the future our youth learns nothing more of this Christianity, whose doctrines are far below ours, Christianity will disappear by itself." (D-75)

Sure Hitler was a Christian and followed God, that must have been why the future youth of Germany were to learn nothing of Christianity and the God that Hitler worshipped.

I can't believe that this here could actually be discussed.

Here's the link to the page - the first one that came up in a google search of "Hitler and the Evangelical Church."

Link to page

Yellum Notnef · 03-04-2003, 01:57 PM

Nobody here is arguing if Hitler was or was not a Christian!

God fucking Dammit! Radorth has somehow managed to turn something as simple as my personal observations of him into a huge fucking ordeal about Hitler! Mother fucking Hitler!!!

What I said about Radorth being the worst witness *I* have ever seen stands firm regardless of what Hitler was or was not.
In order for anyone to prove me wrong about Radorth being the worst witness I`ve ever personally seen,you would not only have to be able to read my mind,but also prove that I`m lying.

This makes me want to put my head down and weep for humanity.:banghead:

Ab_Normal · 03-04-2003, 02:05 PM

Naah, let's just invoke some variant of Godwin's Law and have done with it.

Yellum Notnef · 03-04-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Ab_Normal
Naah, let's just invoke some variant of Godwin's Law and have done with it.

I had to look that one up.

Godwin's Law ___ prov. ___ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Godwin`s law

Priceless!

Dr Rick · 03-04-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
What I said about Radorth being the worst witness *I* have ever seen stands firm regardless of what Hitler was or was not.
...This makes me want to put my head down and weep for humanity.:banghead:

Look on the bright side, Fenton; Radorth's witnessing does more for the cause of free-thinking than probably any single non-theist ever could...

Rick

Bumble Bee Tuna · 03-04-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Re: Grudgemeister in training, who claims he's not going to bother anymore but talks about me in other threads instead. B, if you truly want to agree not mention each other again and ignore each other, I'm ready to start.

Oh the honor! I'm already a grudgemeister in training. Mama will be so proud.
I'm fine with mentioning each other. I'm not by any means going to just stick you on the ignore list like so many others and forget you exist. No, I'm just not going to bother participating in laughable "debates" against you because whenever someone makes a point against you, you ignore it. I don't find it worth the time (though pointing out your idiocy in a post like this is still very enjoyable).

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Yeah, "Rad made us do it." Funny how I responded whenever somebody made a serious point, isn't it?

LOL if you don't mind me borrowing one of your favorite lines, "The Irony is gonna kill me". My whole complaint here is that you neglected to respond to any serious point I made.

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What did you want, a big pat on the back? I am completely mystified as to why I should respond to a post I find no great fault with. You wanna play with the big kids, but not act like one.

Well, when I ask questions, I expect answers. When I make a statement that directly opposes statements you make, I expect you to make a peep. Nothing. When I make a post that says you are wrong and explains why, I expect you to 'have fault with it'.

I also do not think you make us do anything. I just think that's the reaosn you come here: to intentionally act like an asshole in order to draw as many insults as possible so you can use it as an example of what horrible, horrible people atheists are. I think it's terribly childish.

Fenton, don't feel too bad. You act like there was an actual thread to derail here.

-B

scombrid · 03-04-2003, 02:50 PM

I seem to have missed a long annoying conversation while I worked. I can't resist comment.

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Radorth said a few pages ago before this hitler shit:

Oh BTW, if he had not allowed so much physical death and war, the sex-obsessed race on planet earth would have reached 20,000,000,000 starving people when? In the year 1000 if everyone lived to be say, 100? You wouldn't be here in that case either. And if he hadn't made potatoes, the Irish would have starved to death when exactly

I guess that Adam and Eve should've been named Pat and Pat since pre-fall humans were obviously Eunochs. Damn that fall causing us to be both sex obsessed and mortal. We even took the rest of the biota down with us, even the bacteria that I killed with bleach when I scrubbed the toilet this AM. And the rabits, before the fall they didn't reproduce like, well, rabits they just hopped around all cute and cuddly and perfect for Pats' and God's enjoyment.

Oh, yeah as for fear of reprisal for disobedience. I would appreciate somebody demonstrating just who I'm supposed to obey. Every body I ask gives me a different set of rules and when I used to ask god I got no comment. Hell, try to pick out a pattern of fortune/misfortune between different believers and I can't find one. It'd sure be nice if reprisal was immediate to provide a little feedback when I'm screwing up.

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Wait, I get your drift now. He should have stuck around and should have been in 6,000,000,000 places at once, chastising people for 18,000,000,000 sins each day and healing everybody at once while grabbing people out of floods, stopping tornadoes in their paths and going out to patch tiles on the space shuttle, all the while preserving our ability to make bad choices. (And we could just sit around inventing more and more tests for him than we already have).

You need to talk to my friend Bruce from the gym that tries to convince anybody that will listen (and even those who�d rather he bugger off) about his personal god that micromanages everyone�s life right down to the most infinitesimal detail. Got a new job, Goddidit. Broke my leg, Goddidit to get me to study more. Tore up my knee and took up kayak racing since I can�t power squat anymore, Goddidit because he new I�d be happier racing kayaks or because I had more potential as a kayaker than a powerlifter. I haven�t bothered to tell Bruce that I don�t believe in this god and have to wonder why that god�d be dickering with my life so much in such ambiguous ways.

Family Man · 03-04-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
Nobody here is arguing if Hitler was or was not a Christian!

God fucking Dammit! Radorth has somehow managed to turn something as simple as my personal observations of him into a huge fucking ordeal about Hitler! Mother fucking Hitler!!!

It's called the Travelling Radoth Distraction Show. The purpose is to quibble on something so inane that whoever interacting with Radoth will give up in frustration. Don't worry, it's happened to me also. You eventually build up an immunity to it.

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03-04-2003, 01:57 PM	#254
Yellum Notnef Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 4,676	Nobody here is arguing if Hitler was or was not a Christian! God fucking Dammit! Radorth has somehow managed to turn something as simple as my personal observations of him into a huge fucking ordeal about Hitler! Mother fucking Hitler!!! What I said about Radorth being the worst witness I have ever seen stands firm regardless of what Hitler was or was not. In order for anyone to prove me wrong about Radorth being the worst witness I`ve ever personally seen,you would not only have to be able to read my mind,but also prove that I`m lying. This makes me want to put my head down and weep for humanity.:banghead:

03-04-2003, 02:05 PM	#255
Ab_Normal Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,842	Naah, let's just invoke some variant of Godwin's Law and have done with it.

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