FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB General Discussion Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 09:28 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-22-2003, 09:48 AM   #31
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia
Posts: 42,473
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by cheetah
Quick side note: What happened to our favorite non-theist sports star? In this MSNBC article Lance is described as wearing a silver cross around his neck!
I noticed that yesterday on a close up. I thought I saw a cross around the ole neck. Oh well. Maybe it has TGIF on it or something.
Jimmy Higgins is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 10:03 AM   #32
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia
Posts: 42,473
Default

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Godbert
[B]
Quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
I'm sure you have. And of course, after pedaling 100miles a day for most of his life, being repeatedly driven into ditches by redneck texan truck drivers, seeing hundreds of crashes, crashing hard himself just a month ago and having his friend Casartelli dying in a puddle of blood Armstrong probably had not realized he could fall off his bike until he saw Beloki wipe out. Just because you are such a delicate flower does not mean Armstrong sits down and cries every time sth unpleasant happens (please refer to Luz Ardiden finish for example).
Geesh. Where is this coming from? I've had a tire blow on me going 30 down a hill, entering into a road circle. My right quad cramped up so much just I could keep the bike up without crashing. If I warmed up on the bike that race, instead of running to warm up, the crash would have occured on the 40 to 45 mph 2 to 3 mile descent that ends at a hairpin turn heading backup uphill. So lets not be comparing war stories here. Lance Armstrong had to head down a field instead of a road. I know when I get into similar circumstances, my body tenses up real fast, the andreniline pumps up so that I can keep the bike up. The priorities change 1000 fold. All of a sudden the purpose of biking isn't to make the finish, but to do what is necessary to get down the hill. Perhaps I'm too sensitive, but just because someone drives a race car doesn't mean the mind remains neutral when a nearby car flips over their car.

Quote:
Maybe you assume Lance is still in 9/11 mode requiring every single american to be shocked, dismayed and whiny when the perfectly expected finally happens but a tour de france winner is probably more mentally stable than that.
Have you ever had to pass by a racer who was in Beloki's situation during a race? I have. I'm not saying that Armstrong was crying on his bike, but things change. It doesn't last for the rest of the race, but it takes a short toll.
Quote:
The likelihood of someone loosing the tour just because his team was not as fast as his rivals team that day might actually be 100% 5 days from now.
The best racer will win. If Ullrich can't handle Armstrong in the mountains, then why should it make a difference if his team can't handle Armstrong's team in the time trial. And this is all assuming Armstrong doesn't take the Time Trial on Saturday, which would make all your complaining very mute.
Jimmy Higgins is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 03:08 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: southern california
Posts: 779
Default

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
Geesh. Where is this coming from? I've had a tire blow on me going 30 down a hill, entering into a road circle. My right quad cramped up so much just I could keep the bike up without crashing. If I warmed up on the bike that race, instead of running to warm up, the crash would have occured on the 40 to 45 mph 2 to 3 mile descent that ends at a hairpin turn heading backup uphill. So lets not be comparing war stories here. Lance Armstrong had to head down a field instead of a road. I know when I get into similar circumstances, my body tenses up real fast, the andreniline pumps up so that I can keep the bike up. The priorities change 1000 fold. All of a sudden the purpose of biking isn't to make the finish, but to do what is necessary to get down the hill. Perhaps I'm too sensitive, but just because someone drives a race car doesn't mean the mind remains neutral when a nearby car flips over their car.

Whatever, so LA was all shocked and cramped because Beloki fell. The fact remains that he did not loose 40s on Ullrich because of it.


The best racer will win.

That's my point the whole time, the best racer might not win if he is in a team that is slow in a ttt.


If Ullrich can't handle Armstrong in the mountains, then why should it make a difference if his team can't handle Armstrong's team in the time trial.

What kind of logic (and sentence) is that? It's about the overall best rider, not who was fastest up the mountains (and that was Mayo and not Armstrong in this tour btw)
Godbert is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 03:13 PM   #34
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by cheetah
Quick side note: What happened to our favorite non-theist sports star? In this MSNBC article Lance is described as wearing a silver cross around his neck!
Don't be too quick to judge. Last time I checked, wearing a cross did not necessarily mean you were a theist. Atheists aren't vampires, after all.
Mageth is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 03:15 PM   #35
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,118
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Mageth
Don't be too quick to judge. Last time I checked, wearing a cross did not necessarily mean you were a theist. Atheists aren't vampires, after all.
Really? Well, I mean, I know we aren't vampires, but I actually have not heard of an atheist wearing a cross. I didn't think it happened.
cheetah is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 03:23 PM   #36
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Default

I've got a nice James Avery Celtic Cross that was given to me years ago by my wife that I wear on occasion. Hasn't burned me yet.

Maybe he considers it a good luck charm, or it was given to him by his kid or someone else, or who knows, maybe he's hedging his bet? Whatever, you can't judge his belief by his jewelry.

Now, if he dons a rainbow wig and starts waving around a "John 3:16" sign, we might have a concern.
Mageth is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 04:12 PM   #37
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: NCSU
Posts: 5,853
Default

RufusAtticus is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 05:13 PM   #38
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia
Posts: 42,473
Default

To be honest, I thought Armstrong was a Deist. Not an atheist.
Jimmy Higgins is offline  
Old 07-22-2003, 05:19 PM   #39
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Default

He may well be. I don't claim to know what his belief is, though I admiteddly implied that he was an atheist in an earlier post.

Lance Armstrong's own words.

Come to your own conclusion. Of course, there's no guarantee that he still believes as he did when he wrote the book.
Mageth is offline  
Old 07-23-2003, 09:23 AM   #40
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Self-banned in 2005
Posts: 1,344
Thumbs up

Hamilton wins 16th stage.

Regardless of how long you've been following the Tour, this must surely be one of the finest rides. :notworthy
Hugo Holbling is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:27 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.