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The Other Michael · 07-03-2002, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Katey:
The problem, morally speaking, with this whole thread is that everyone here (with a possible exception of the other michael *thanks for the B-shot BTW*) is more worried about the guilt or innocence of this person (and in Filo's case, this WOMAN) than how it happened and how to prevent it. Judge, judge, judge. If you're not willing to fix it, don't stand around and gripe about it.

Katey,

I haven't a clue what a B-shot is.

Please set forth your plan (per your last line) on how you will fix this situation.

thanks,
Michael

Katey · 07-03-2002, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by The Other Michael:


I haven't a clue what a B-shot is.

Sorry, didn't realize the moderators moderated the moderators. State jobs, right?

Anyway, Bye. You guys can hit eachother with mod sticks now.

The Other Michael · 07-03-2002, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Katey:

Sorry, didn't realize the moderators moderated the moderators. State jobs, right?

Anyway, Bye. You guys can hit eachother with mod sticks now.

We're only godless atheist humans, which doesn't ensure our infallibility.

So yes, the mods watch each other as well as everyone else. That's why we get paid the big bucks (but so far I haven't found anyplace that will accept my Official Evil Atheist Currency).

You're welcome to stay around, all we ask is that you be more civil in your posts so as to maintain some semblence of sweet reason in the forum.

cheers,
Michael

rebelnerd · 07-03-2002, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by brighid:
For right now, we both work but our son is in school all day and I get home before the school bus, so it works out nicely. I read somewhere how children benefit immensely from having stay at home fathers because of the balance it creates in parenting roles. Mommy isn�t just the soother of all that ails, dads are too! We have quite a few stay at home fathers in our neighborhood. I have a close friend who does that and he really gained a new perspective, especially after coming home previously to an unclean home and asking his wife what she did all day! DOH! He learned just how demanding taking care of a new born can be

brighid, I've enjoyed the stay at home dad bit, but I'm trying to start up a career in babysitting computers. I just got back from fixing the computers where my wife works. This is going to sound real corny, but I think one of my life's greatest accomplishments is changing a poopy diaper one handed, and not making a mess of things! Anyway enough of that stuff, nice talking to you.

Filo

DRFseven · 07-03-2002, 05:02 PM

Katey's right. Some people are too immature, negatively affected by stress, and/or unintelligent to be responsible for children. They, however, don't know this, and there is nothing we can do about it except to prosecute them when they accidently kill them. Perhaps this serves to remind some not to do irresponsible things, but in some cases, it's not clear that it was anything but a very tragic mistake that no one could have prevented.

About a year ago, there was a Court TV trial in which an obviously intelligent, professional business woman under a lot of stress needed to drop her two children off at daycare in reverse order from the usual. Consequently, after dropping the preschooler off, she forgot that the sleeping infant was still in the back of the minivan and just drove on "autopilot" to work, where she got out and locked the car as usual. No one in the parking lot saw the infant all day because of the tinted windows. The woman didn't even find out until after she picked up the older child that afternoon and went to seatbelt her in, at which point she was horrified to find the dead infant.

It was obvious during the trial that she was an intelligent and loving mother who had, up until that point, taken good care of her children. She and her husband were devastated, lives wrecked. I'm not saying the situation with the "hair-appointment-woman" was the same; I'm saying we can't just assume stupidity or cruelty in every case.

MadMordigan · 07-03-2002, 05:04 PM

This is going to sound real corny, but I think one of my life's greatest accomplishments is changing a poopy diaper one handed, and not making a mess of things!

Doesn't sound corney. Just sounds like you haven't accomplished much with your life.

rebelnerd · 07-03-2002, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by DRFseven:
I'm saying we can't just assume stupidity or cruelty in every case.

Not in every case, but this one sure seems like it to me.

Filo

rebelnerd · 07-03-2002, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by MadMordigan:
[b]Doesn't sound corney. Just sounds like you haven't accomplished much with your life.

Oh I've accomplished a lot, it's just that the feat was accomplished one handed after getting the other hand crushed in a machine. I consider adapting to new situations and realities a huge accomplishment.

Filo

One of the last sane · 07-04-2002, 01:01 PM

What I find hard to comprehend in this case is how she "forgot" about her kids for three hours. Forgetting about a kid briefly, like driving off home and forgetting to stop by the daycare, is more understandable. Also, a kid left in daycare is not in danger.

DRFseven · 07-04-2002, 08:36 PM

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Filo: Not in every case, but this one sure seems like it to me.

If it turns out she is not smart enough to know better than to leave her kids in the car like that, what do you think could have prevented this tragedy?

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07-03-2002, 05:02 PM	#215
DRFseven Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,322	Katey's right. Some people are too immature, negatively affected by stress, and/or unintelligent to be responsible for children. They, however, don't know this, and there is nothing we can do about it except to prosecute them when they accidently kill them. Perhaps this serves to remind some not to do irresponsible things, but in some cases, it's not clear that it was anything but a very tragic mistake that no one could have prevented. About a year ago, there was a Court TV trial in which an obviously intelligent, professional business woman under a lot of stress needed to drop her two children off at daycare in reverse order from the usual. Consequently, after dropping the preschooler off, she forgot that the sleeping infant was still in the back of the minivan and just drove on "autopilot" to work, where she got out and locked the car as usual. No one in the parking lot saw the infant all day because of the tinted windows. The woman didn't even find out until after she picked up the older child that afternoon and went to seatbelt her in, at which point she was horrified to find the dead infant. It was obvious during the trial that she was an intelligent and loving mother who had, up until that point, taken good care of her children. She and her husband were devastated, lives wrecked. I'm not saying the situation with the "hair-appointment-woman" was the same; I'm saying we can't just assume stupidity or cruelty in every case.

07-03-2002, 05:04 PM	#216
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	This is going to sound real corny, but I think one of my life's greatest accomplishments is changing a poopy diaper one handed, and not making a mess of things! Doesn't sound corney. Just sounds like you haven't accomplished much with your life.

07-04-2002, 01:01 PM	#219
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	What I find hard to comprehend in this case is how she "forgot" about her kids for three hours. Forgetting about a kid briefly, like driving off home and forgetting to stop by the daycare, is more understandable. Also, a kid left in daycare is not in danger.

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