Mageth

No, the Bible isn't influenced from other foreign relgions



What I'm wondering is...what happened between the OT and the NT to make the birth of Jesus necessary in God's plan? What was it that was supposed to change, as written/to-be-written, in the two Testaments?

Well, the OT was written to establish a religion around a tribal war-god with an obsession for sex that had chosen this particular tribe to do his dirtywork here on earth, including warring against the religions of other tribes' competing war-gods, and to abide by the strict moral law he passed down to them, and enforce it on anyone within their borders.

While the NT was written to establish a religion around a tribal war-god with an obsession for sex that had chosen a particular people to do his dirtywork here on earth, including warring against the religions of other tribes' competing war-gods, and to abide by the strict moral law he passed down to them, and enforce it on anyone within their borders.

Not much of a difference; just a bigger tribe.

lpetrich

I don't see what fulfillment-by-execution is supposed to be. The OT laws are commands to do various things and not do various other things; they are only "fulfilled" by actually doing or not doing the various things.

To me, Islamic apologists are more honest; they do not have this "fulfillment" bull doo-doo, but instead have a doctrine of abrogation, where some parts of the Koran may abrogate some other parts.

lunachick

Wow. I'm kind of intimidated up here.

Thank you for your replies, though. I've never read either the OT or the NT, nor had any religious instruction in my life (hallelujah! ).

I will take some time to digest what you have all written, and look into the various references that have been made.

Thanks again, and I will return with more questions as I uncover them.


Cheers!
Petra

Ronin

Quoted by Magus55 ~Genesis ~

6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

God changes his mind and then drowns everything that breathes.

Oh ~ and where are all the Catholics that claim that the Eucharist is the Blessed Sacrament in which Jesus Christ is truly present under the bread and wine that they consume?

Corpus Domini sure sounds like cannibalism to me...at least in within the intent of some.

Javaman

Is Matthew's telling of the Sermon saying that there is no "New Covenant"? It sounds like Jesus is saying that the Mosaic/Levitic laws still apply.

Matthew 5
17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfill;
18 for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.
19 `Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands -- the least -- and may teach men so, least he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach [them], he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.


So maybe Yaweh doesn't change... or does he? Hmmm....

Kosh

The marketing guys came in, and decided that in order to expand the club and tax base, they'd need a complete makeover to sell more subscriptions.

Bobzammel

Jesus also says the "Law and the prophets" only lasted until John...and later James seems to mention following the 'law' in his epistle, which almost reads like a counter to Paul's. Also Jesus tells his followers a few times to observe some temple ordinances.
It is believed by some that there were two factions in the first century...one, the faction under James and based primarily in Israel, still obeyed the old Jewish laws, but possibly felt there was no need for sacrifices. Paul, in trying to spread the faith to the gentiles, might have had difficulty getting the foreigners to follow the complex Jewish laws and hence eliminated them, replacing them with a different moral code which, while not as complex as the ritual laws of the old law, is IMO stricter morally.
Somehow both POVS made their way into the Gospels, and hence we have contradictions about Jesus's attitude toward the law.

sodium

I think that by the time the gospels were written, Paul's view had triumphed over James's view on this issue. I think Jesus (of the gospels) is trying to say something like,

Don't think I'm here to get rid of the Law. The Law is really a prophecy about me, including things I haven't even done yet. So don't forget any of it, or you'll be sorry.

So, the Law is retained, but not as a political or legal system. That's exactly how Paul thinks.

mark9950

Either god changes his mind or not.

Your god cannot have it both ways,unless he is pulling a clinton.

God according to these scriptures does change his mind (repent) mainly about things he has done,unfortunately he must not have enough power to undo them so he repents.

I thought only humans repent from sin?God must repent of his sin of screwing everything up in the first place.


Gen.6:6
"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Ex.32:14
"And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
Dt.32:36
"For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.
1 Sam.15:11
"It repenteth me [God] that I have set up Saul to be king."
1 Sam.15:35
"The Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."
2 Sam.24:16
"The Lord repented of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, it is enough: stay now thine hand."
1 Chr.21:15
"The Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand."
Jer.15:6
"I [God] am weary of repenting."
Jer.18:8
"I [God] will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them."
Jer.26:3
"That I [God]may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them."
Jer.26:13
"The Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you."
Jer.26:19
"The Lord repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them."
Jer.42:10
"For I [God] repent me of the evil that I have done unto you."
Am.7:3, 6
"The Lord repented for this."
Jon.3:10
"God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them."

Magus55

Repentence isn't changing His mind, its showing his sorrow for having to have cast judgement. God doesn't want to have to judge people, but He is required by His own nature to cast righteous judgement on sinners. When God repents, it shows remorse for his creation - it shows us that God truly cares, and wants us to follow Him so He doesn't have to judge us.

God repenting doesn't mean change here. It means regret for having to done such actions ( and no this doesn't mean God was wrong - it just means He wish he didn't have to resort to such means, but we force Him to). Please show me a passage where God says, hmm, i was gonna do this, but I think ill do this instead.