nermal

Never had a problem with serious thinking. I'm also working on sourcing the Antarctica thing, it'll be a bit, I'm having to dust off some cobwebs.

Ed

nermal

start here:
www.newswise.com/articles/2002/1/ANTARC.UIC.html
then here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science...ic-cooling.htm
And here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true
or do a search under "antarctic cooling" and you'll find plenty of stuff.

Ed

SULPHUR

The information given suggests this is cooling is not on the scale of what is happening on the ice shelves. The climatologists appear to have an explanation to this abherration which is against the trend of global warming and hence rising sea levels.
Could you comment on the two references I gave you?

nermal

the second link was no good. The first link showed some fun animations which gave no indication of a warming or cooling trend anywhere--the scale wasn't sensitive enough, I don't believe. If I missed something point me to a specific location please.
As stated before, I never made the claim there was a general cooling trend in Antarctica; I only stated there was not a general warming trend either. It's interesting to note a quote in the reference given by ps418:

"There is no evidence known to us that growth of the Antarctic ice sheet is anywhere near large enough to cancel out the current eustatic contributions..."

this would lead me to believe that there is a general increase in ice mass in Antarctica. They didn't cite a source for this, however. The kitten is confused.

The overall gist of the cited article by ps418 was one of confusion. The kitten certainly never intended to make the claim that sea levels were not rising naturally as a consequence of the end of the little ice age. But when chicken little harps about rising sea levels, he is screaming about .25 - 1.0 meters prior to 2100, not 1-3 cm/cy. Nothing in the article supports his claim. It seems from a careful reading of the source that they are confused and speculative about modern sea level changes--nothing conclusive there.

Thanks for making the kitten think. Let's think more.

Ed

SULPHUR

Nermal you could try a general search.....NCDC,climate,2000 december. This should give you everything

God Fearing Atheist

For more on Antarctic Ice:

Long, D.G., Ballantyne, J. and Bertoia, C. 2002. Is the number of Antarctic icebergs really increasing? EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union 83: 469, 474.

Parkinson, C.L. 2002. Trends in the length of the southern Ocean sea-ice season, 1979-99. Annals of Glaciology 34: 435-440.

Zwally, H.J., Comiso, J.C., Parkinson, C.L. Cavalieri, D.J. and Gloersen, P. 2002. Variability of Antarctic sea ice 1979-1998. Journal of Geophysical Research 107: 10.1029/2000JC000733.

Yuan, X. and Martinson, D.G. 2000. Antarctic sea ice extent variability and its global connectivity. Journal of Climate 13: 1697-1717.

Watkins, A.B. and Simmonds, I. 2000. Current trends in Antarctic sea ice: The 1990s impact on a short climatology. Journal of Climate 13: 4441-4451.

Joughin, I. and Tulaczyk, S. 2002. Positive mass balance of the Ross Ice Streams, West Antarctica. Science 295: 476-480

Pudsey, C.J. and Evans, J. 2001. First survey of Antarctic sub-ice shelf sediments reveals mid-Holocene ice shelf retreat. Geology 29: 787-790.

nermal

GFA--
The nearest library with those references is a bit away. Could you summarize?

Ed

SULPHUR

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climater...ann/ann02.html
have fun

SULPHUR

It should read after.....oa/climateresearch/2002 ......etc
Just go to NCDC

nermal

I'll look into it over the next day or two. Get back to you.

Ed