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Stephen Maturin · 11-19-2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RobertE:


Just which law school did hizzonner graduate from? The University of Okiboji?

LOL. You'd think so, but according his write-up on the <a href="http://www.alalinc.net/appellate/supreme/judge.cfm?Moore=Judge" target="_blank">Alabama Supreme Court's website</a>, Moore got his J.D. from the University of Alabama.

And Lawd A-mighty, check out all those Jebus awards! He wants us to know about every one of 'em, including the award he received from that gaggle of lunatics collectively know as the U.S. Taxpayers' Party, n/k/a the Constitution Party. Not surprisingly, those folks aren't very keen on the idea of church-state separation, as evidenced by their <a href="http://www.constitutionparty.com/ustp-99p1.html#Preamble" target="_blank">platform</a>.

hezekiah jones · 11-19-2002, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephen Maturin:
You'd think so, but according his write-up on the <a href="http://www.alalinc.net/appellate/supreme/judge.cfm?Moore=Judge" target="_blank">Alabama Supreme Court's website</a> ...

"Judge Moore has authored numerous articles, and poetry." Mother of Sweating Jesus, it's the poet laureate of the "Blame America First" set:

"America the Beautiful"
by Judge Roy Moore

The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama. Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. After a lengthy appeal process the case has been dismissed and the Ten Commandments remain on display.

Quote:

America the Beautiful, or so you used to be.
Land of the Pilgrims' pride; I'm glad they'll never see.

Babies piled in dumpsters, Abortion on demand,
Oh, sweet land of liberty, your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly poisoned by cocaine,
Choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said abstain.

[...]

We've voted in a government that's rotting at the core,
Appointing Godless Judges who throw reason out the door,

[...]

You think that God's not angry, that our land's a moral slum?
How much longer will He wait before His judgment comes? ...

I think I'm going to be ill.

[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: hezekiah jones ]

Buffman · 11-19-2002, 10:09 PM

<a href="http://atheism.about.com/library/legal/legislation/bl_tc_moore.htm" target="_blank">http://atheism.about.com/library/legal/legislation/bl_tc_moore.htm</a>

<a href="http://www.statesman.org/PAGES/Awards/1997.asp" target="_blank">http://www.statesman.org/PAGES/Awards/1997.asp</a>

<a href="http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/afa/142001rm.asp" target="_blank">http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/afa/142001rm.asp</a>

<a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/moore04.htm" target="_blank">http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/moore04.htm</a>

Note: Judge Moore served his country as a Captain, Military Police Corps, U.S. Army; Company Commander, Vietnam; and Battalion Staff Officer, Ft. Riley, Kansas. (That's all I have found about his service in Vietnam. He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy in 1969. Obviously he took his taxpayer paid for education and got out just as soon as his commitment was satisfied. Many military school graduates do that. That's why the commitments were increased...to make the education and training investment cost effective.)

Anti-Moore Letters-to-the-Editors:

<a href="http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/alabama/aleditorial08.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/alabama/aleditorial08.htm</a>

Pro-Moore Backers

<a href="http://www.reclaimamerica.org/" target="_blank">http://www.reclaimamerica.org/</a>

<a href="http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.moore.html" target="_blank">http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.moore.html</a>

(Extract)
We must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight!! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!�Why stand we here idle? What is it that the gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty god! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
(End extract)

The above extract is identical to the one recently posted in this forum which reveals that it is actually a composite quote but not identified as such. (See URLs below) It makes me question the academic integrity of Hillsdale College and Judge Moore.

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=59&t=000739&p=1" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=59&t=000739&p=1</a>

<a href="http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html" target="_blank">http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html</a>

(I am already aware of the rumors surrounding Hillsdale's recently departed President.)

<a href="http://www.freep.com/news/mich/hills11_19991111.htm" target="_blank">http://www.freep.com/news/mich/hills11_19991111.htm</a>

Toto · 11-19-2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hezekiah jones, quoting Judge Moore:


Our children wander aimlessly poisoned by cocaine,
Choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said abstain.

Clearly the man should resign from the bench to develop his poetic talent.

The entire version is
<a href="http://acacia.pair.com/Acacia.Vignettes/America.the.Beautiful.html" target="_blank">here</a> and amazingly also many other places on the web.

Edited to add: <a href="http://www.lancasterlife.com/our_american_birthright.html" target="_blank">here's another poem</a>.

Quote:

Children are told they can't pray and they teach them evolution,
When will they learn the fear of God is the only true solution.

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

Primordial Groove · 11-20-2002, 12:43 AM

That guy is out there. I can't believe someone with his mindset would be elected.
He only sees the bad in the world it seems. Isn't that a psychological condition?

Hastur · 11-20-2002, 04:20 AM

..."The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama. Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. After a lengthy appeal process the case has been dismissed and the Ten Commandments remain on display."

Italicized to emphasize the lies.

RufusAtticus · 11-20-2002, 05:48 AM

More of Moore's writings, as quoted by the descision:

Quote:

"By leaving religion [seemingly] undefined, the [Supreme] Court has opened the door to the erroneous assumption that, under the Establishment Clause, religion could include Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and whatever might occupy in man's life a place parallel to that filled by God ... In such a case, God and religion are no longer distinguished in meaning, permitting the First Amendment to be used to exclude the very object it was meant to protect, namely the sovereignty of God over civil government. (emphasis mine)

Hon. Roy S. Moore, Religion in the
Public Square, 29 Cumb. L. Rev. 347, 352 (1998/1999).

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: RufusAtticus ]

11-20-2002, 10:56 AM

You guys should have heard Sen. Robert Byrd ranting and raving about the decision on C-Span this morning. He said that this nation was founded by gawd-fearing, Christian people and for gawd-fearing, Christian people.

He also read extensively from the Mayflower Compact (which includes many references to gawd), apparently being unaware that it's not one of our laws. Finally, he said that he was 85 years old and "going to meet gawd real soon."

No wonder Europe laughs at us!

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]

Toto · 11-20-2002, 12:47 PM

<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=519&e=4&u=/ap/20021119/ap_on_re_us/ten_commandments_12" target="_blank">Judge to Fight Commandments Ruling</a>

Quote:

. . . Moore said he has received no order for the monument's removal, but if he does he will appeal to higher courts. Moore's attorney, Stephen Melchior, said earlier that Moore will ask the appellate courts to allow the 5,300-pound granite monument to stay in the judicial building until the appeals process is completed.

. . .

Melchior said he didn't think Thompson understood Moore's testimony during the trial.

Thompson "uses the term 'religion' 97 times in the opinion and the term 'religious' 50 times, but goes on to talk about how it's dangerous to define the term 'religion.' This is very troublesome to me. I can't imagine the appellate court buying such interesting logic," Melchior said.

. . .

RufusAtticus · 11-20-2002, 12:50 PM

Yeah sounds like the typical Fundy style of debating.

<ol type="1">[*]Fundy makes extravent claim based on ignorance.[*]Opponent corrects ignorance and explicitly states when Fundy went wrong.[*]Fundy repeats argument asking opponent to listen this time.[*] <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> [/list=a]

11-20-2002, 10:56 AM	#38
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	You guys should have heard Sen. Robert Byrd ranting and raving about the decision on C-Span this morning. He said that this nation was founded by gawd-fearing, Christian people and for gawd-fearing, Christian people. He also read extensively from the Mayflower Compact (which includes many references to gawd), apparently being unaware that it's not one of our laws. Finally, he said that he was 85 years old and "going to meet gawd real soon." No wonder Europe laughs at us! [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]</p>

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11-19-2002, 10:09 PM	#33
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	<a href="http://atheism.about.com/library/legal/legislation/bl_tc_moore.htm" target="_blank">http://atheism.about.com/library/legal/legislation/bl_tc_moore.htm</a> <a href="http://www.statesman.org/PAGES/Awards/1997.asp" target="_blank">http://www.statesman.org/PAGES/Awards/1997.asp</a> <a href="http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/afa/142001rm.asp" target="_blank">http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/8/afa/142001rm.asp</a> <a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/moore04.htm" target="_blank">http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/moore04.htm</a> Note: Judge Moore served his country as a Captain, Military Police Corps, U.S. Army; Company Commander, Vietnam; and Battalion Staff Officer, Ft. Riley, Kansas. (That's all I have found about his service in Vietnam. He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy in 1969. Obviously he took his taxpayer paid for education and got out just as soon as his commitment was satisfied. Many military school graduates do that. That's why the commitments were increased...to make the education and training investment cost effective.) Anti-Moore Letters-to-the-Editors: <a href="http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/alabama/aleditorial08.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/alabama/aleditorial08.htm</a> Pro-Moore Backers <a href="http://www.reclaimamerica.org/" target="_blank">http://www.reclaimamerica.org/</a> <a href="http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.moore.html" target="_blank">http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.moore.html</a> (Extract) We must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight!! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!�Why stand we here idle? What is it that the gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty god! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" (End extract) The above extract is identical to the one recently posted in this forum which reveals that it is actually a composite quote but not identified as such. (See URLs below) It makes me question the academic integrity of Hillsdale College and Judge Moore. <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=59&t=000739&p=1" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=59&t=000739&p=1</a> <a href="http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html" target="_blank">http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html</a> (I am already aware of the rumors surrounding Hillsdale's recently departed President.) <a href="http://www.freep.com/news/mich/hills11_19991111.htm" target="_blank">http://www.freep.com/news/mich/hills11_19991111.htm</a>

11-20-2002, 12:43 AM	#35
Primordial Groove Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 1,570	That guy is out there. I can't believe someone with his mindset would be elected. He only sees the bad in the world it seems. Isn't that a psychological condition?

11-20-2002, 04:20 AM	#36
Hastur Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Carcosa Posts: 238	..."The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama. Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. After a lengthy appeal process the case has been dismissed and the Ten Commandments remain on display." Italicized to emphasize the lies.

11-20-2002, 12:50 PM	#40
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Yeah sounds like the typical Fundy style of debating. <ol type="1">[]Fundy makes extravent claim based on ignorance.[]Opponent corrects ignorance and explicitly states when Fundy went wrong.[]Fundy repeats argument asking opponent to listen this time.[] <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> [/list=a]

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