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George Oilwell · 06-11-2003, 04:22 AM

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-If, after you are accused of developing weapons of mass destruction, you submit to international inspection, get ready to be invaded anyway. -If you say you don't have any such weapons, you are, of course, lying. If inspectors can't find any, you're hiding them. And if, after invasion, they still can't be found, you were just awfully good at both of the above. -If one of the charges is, specifically, that you're developing nuclear weapons, best you speed things along. You see, as Iraq demonstrated, countries that we say are oh-so-close to having nukes get invaded.

Americans shouldn't believe a thing Bush says on Iran

Animesh · 06-11-2003, 05:18 AM

I guess the lesson from Iraq and North Korea is that the best way to avoid invasion from the US is . . . to arm yourself for real! :-(

Godless Dave · 06-11-2003, 07:36 AM

I think the thread title can be accurately generalized to:

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Americans shouldn't believe a thing Bush says

Proxima Centauri · 06-11-2003, 10:14 AM

President Bush should repent of his lying! Does he know what it says in the Bible?
Proverbs12:22 "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight."
Oh what it is to be a Christian President where nobody dared point out your faults.
Here's what The Skeptics Annotated Bible has to say about it. You have to click onto the no.12 in the top right corner.

Radcliffe Emerson · 06-11-2003, 10:36 AM

I don't believe ANYTHING Bush says. Never have. It kills me some of the tv media ignored people screaming there were no weapons in Iraq while the fighting and flag waving was going on, now some of those same people are jumping on the bandwagon and acting indignant.

Why is ANYONE surprised they didn't find anything in Iraq?

John Hancock · 06-11-2003, 05:45 PM

Frighteningly enough no proof of WMD have been shown but Republican ledgislators are now are repeating over and over that they were there-

Where are they now!

During the state of the union address I lost count at thirteen as to how many times the Shruba linked 9/11 to Iraq.

The General

Public?

Martin

B. H. Manners · 06-11-2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by B.Shack
President Bush should repent of his lying! Does he know what it says in the Bible?
Proverbs12:22 "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight."
Oh what it is to be a Christian President where nobody dared point out your faults.
Here's what The Skeptics Annotated Bible has to say about it. You have to click onto the no.12 in the top right corner.

It says in the Book of BH the Prophet:

"It is easier for a preacher to be passed through the ass of a camel than for George Bush to learn to stop lying."

Opera Nut · 06-11-2003, 09:06 PM

A large group of Methodist American leaders, including bishops, has issued a public statement telling Bush to Repent.

Here is the full article:

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Methodist leaders to Bush: Repent
WorldNet Daily

Friday 06 June 2003

Clergy claim president's policies 'incompatible' with church teachings

A group of leaders from President George W. Bush's denomination, the United Methodist Church, have signed a magazine ad asking the chief executive to "repent" of what they consider policies "incompatible" with Christian teaching, reports the Christian Times.

The group of 120 signatories to the document, entitled "A Prophetic Epistle from United Methodists Calling Our Brother George W. Bush to Repent," includes seven United Methodist Church bishops.

"It is our judgment that some policies advanced by your administration give evidence of the spiritual forces of wickedness that exist in our society today," the ad read, according to the report.

The signers also include two UMC leaders who were arrested during an anti-war protest in Washington, D.C., this year. They claim Bush is "threatening the very earth and all its inhabitants with open discussion of the usage of nuclear weapons."

The Methodist leaders don't think much of Bush's domestic policies, either, saying they are "incongruent with Jesus' teaching" because they allegedly lack the kind of compassion Jesus taught, said the Christian Times report.

Mark Tooley, director of the United Methodist committee of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, tells the paper it is the 120 who signed the document who are veering from the church's teachings � not Bush.

"Bush is supposedly a bad Christian and a bad Methodist because, like most Methodists, he does not agree with these church officials in their equation of compassion with a large federal welfare state and in their opposition to a strong military defense for America," Tooley said. "These United Methodist officials are effectively telling the president he is not a good Christian because his policies do not match their own left-wing beliefs."

The leaders include men who have denied the divinity of Jesus Christ and endorse same-sex marriage, Tooley told the paper.

According to the report, the White House says the president respects the views of those placing the ad but does not agree with them.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

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Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Methodist Leaders to Bush - Repent A large group of Methodist American leaders, including bishops, has issued a public statement telling Bush to Repent. Here is the full article: QUOTE: Methodist leaders to Bush: Repent WorldNet Daily Friday 06 June 2003 Clergy claim president's policies 'incompatible' with church teachings A group of leaders from President George W. Bush's denomination, the United Methodist Church, have signed a magazine ad asking the chief executive to "repent" of what they consider policies "incompatible" with Christian teaching, reports the Christian Times. The group of 120 signatories to the document, entitled "A Prophetic Epistle from United Methodists Calling Our Brother George W. Bush to Repent," includes seven United Methodist Church bishops. "It is our judgment that some policies advanced by your administration give evidence of the spiritual forces of wickedness that exist in our society today," the ad read, according to the report. The signers also include two UMC leaders who were arrested during an anti-war protest in Washington, D.C., this year. They claim Bush is "threatening the very earth and all its inhabitants with open discussion of the usage of nuclear weapons." The Methodist leaders don't think much of Bush's domestic policies, either, saying they are "incongruent with Jesus' teaching" because they allegedly lack the kind of compassion Jesus taught, said the Christian Times report. Mark Tooley, director of the United Methodist committee of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, tells the paper it is the 120 who signed the document who are veering from the church's teachings � not Bush. "Bush is supposedly a bad Christian and a bad Methodist because, like most Methodists, he does not agree with these church officials in their equation of compassion with a large federal welfare state and in their opposition to a strong military defense for America," Tooley said. "These United Methodist officials are effectively telling the president he is not a good Christian because his policies do not match their own left-wing beliefs." The leaders include men who have denied the divinity of Jesus Christ and endorse same-sex marriage, Tooley told the paper. According to the report, the White House says the president respects the views of those placing the ad but does not agree with them. (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.) � : t r u t h o u t 2003 UNQUOTE

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06-11-2003, 05:18 AM	#2
Animesh Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 107	I guess the lesson from Iraq and North Korea is that the best way to avoid invasion from the US is . . . to arm yourself for real! :-(

06-11-2003, 10:14 AM	#4
Proxima Centauri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: England, the EU. Posts: 2,403	President Bush should repent of his lying! Does he know what it says in the Bible? Proverbs12:22 "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight." Oh what it is to be a Christian President where nobody dared point out your faults. Here's what The Skeptics Annotated Bible has to say about it. You have to click onto the no.12 in the top right corner.

06-11-2003, 10:36 AM	#5
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	I don't believe ANYTHING Bush says. Never have. It kills me some of the tv media ignored people screaming there were no weapons in Iraq while the fighting and flag waving was going on, now some of those same people are jumping on the bandwagon and acting indignant. Why is ANYONE surprised they didn't find anything in Iraq?

06-11-2003, 05:45 PM	#6
John Hancock Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 2,231	Frighteningly enough no proof of WMD have been shown but Republican ledgislators are now are repeating over and over that they were there- Where are they now! During the state of the union address I lost count at thirteen as to how many times the Shruba linked 9/11 to Iraq. The General Public? Martin

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