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You're like a lot of Christians that come here. You think I'm seeking answers from you. I'm not, and I've explained that. I've come to say exactly what I think about Christianity not to pull your chain or to seek answers from you about God.

You argue based upon authority. You argue as if you were God, and you argue as if there is no rebuttal to God. That's entirely fallacious though in that the authority of God, the Bible, and your interpretation of it is entirely the question. There will always be a rebuttal, and in this post by post argumentation, this is a recursive process.

You want to redesign that. You want me to lay out all my rebuttals, without any reference to your recursive arguments that generated the rebuttals. I suppose that you want to line them up, and answer a simple one-liner to each backed up by the authority of God. It just doesn't work that way here.

So, if you want to get back on topic, pick out any of the arguments that have been made here on Hell and continue point by point, as is the custom here, great. Otherwise, I'll give you the last word on this red herring, and we're done here.

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Okay. Then why, when I posted answers to YOUR questions (if they could be answered), did you come back (with a quote of mine) with more questions for me? If you're not seeking answers from me, why have you asked me so many questions throughout this thread? Normally, if one is not seeking answers, one does not ask questions. See how that works?


Edit: Regarding Matthew, it's also important to not that one can experience knashing of teeth, etc., in fire WITHOUT the fire lasting forever.

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The problem is that you think you can throw out the bath water without the baby. If you're real vague about what is the bath water and what is the baby, you can get away with that. He're though I'm talking specifics. You are substantially quibbling over hell in a very fundy hand wringing way, and I've been calling you on it more multiple times in two different threads. Why won't you declare Hell as biblical bath water and throw it out with the rest of the biblical sewage?

In Matthew 25, I've argued that you can't throw out his definition of Hell without in the same stroke throwing out the baby for the same reasons. So, it's not enough now to respond merely that you pick and choose what's bath water and what's baby. You're going to have to be more specific. What's the bath water and why? What's the baby and why? How do you tell the difference and why?

Rational BAC

Come on brettc--

I admit freely that I come here to pull atheists' chains.

The least you could admit is that you come here to pull theist's chains.
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How do you gnash your teeth when you're dead? I hope you don't have an open casket funeral.

Rational BAC

Gnashing of teeth is a sign of old age. Rather shocking when you wake up in the morning with very sore gums and teeth and ask yourself "What the hell happened?". Not sure why it occurs but it does. If it hasn't happened to you yet--------wait till you are over 60.

Common as dirt.

So what does gnashing of teeth really mean since it happens to just about everybody, good or bad, after a certain age?

Probably not a damned thing.

If Jesus had anything in mind in talking about the subject--------it might be "old age sucks".

And that all humans are mortal.

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Nope. It's an internal thing. With you, I know I'm not pulling your chain, it just rolls off your back just like it does with me. I'm smiling when I'm posting and when I'm reading your posts, and I know you are too. So I don't see this as necessarily pulling chains.

There is a serious side to it though. I can't say what I think about Christianity in real life, because it does pull chains of people in my life in a big way. It's a big release to say what ever the hell I want to say about this pile of crapola. I won't have people in my life tell me they can't stand me, they'll never respect me, they'll never have anything to do with me ever again. I won't have my beautiful five year old daughter tell my I'm Bad Bad Bad. Lest I forget being told they hope I burn in Hell forever! And all of that just because I tell them I don't believe in God!

So no, it's not about pulling chains at all. You Christians just need to come here with a little levity and a little thicker skin. Especially on the subject of hell, I think you're just going to have expect to take some venting of a little animosity. I'm not venting at you personally, but rather the frustration I've had with Christians and their concept of Hell in my life.

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Matthew 25:30 doesn't say:

And die ye the unprofitable servant: 'cause old age sucks.

Come on RBAC I think if we're going to continue a meaningful conversation, you'll have to respond with more than that.

Rational BAC

Sorry, but old age does suck. And that is what I think Jesus had in mind. When your teeth and gums hurt in the morning and you have not a clue why----then you should consider the unalterable fact that your life will end--and possibly shortly.

Now why this does happen as you get older?---personally I never noticed it until after the age of 55---

My personal theory is that everyone gnashes their teeth no matter their age while sleeping. And the only reason it becomes painfully noticeable after a certain age is that your teeth have gotten kind of loose and can't really take being gnashed without discomfort (assuming you have any natural teeth at all of course after a certain age).

Still and all I think all that Jesus was talking about in these passages was our mortality. All gnashing of teeth ever meant was that you are getting pretty close to that time of life when you will croak. So pay more attention to the things you do while you are still walking around.

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Who sounds like a fundy now? This is the worst fundy hand wringing word games I've ever heard of. Matthew 25 doesn't say anything like that, and you know it. If you're going to take that kind of liberty with what it really does say, what do you think of this interpretation:

Let's just work a little with the ten virgin on one bridesgroom analogy at the beginning of Mt 25. It says you didn't serve Him, you didn't worship His glory, you didn't minister to Him and now Satan is going to be shovin' his fire poker up your virgin ass forever! On the other hand if you're God's boy all your life, you and your Christian friends are going to get to skip on up to Heaven, hop on into Jesus' and his daddy's bed chamber, and you're going to get to worship their glory with your virgin ass for ever and ever.

I suppose that if it all boils down to personal taste, with no limits as to what it actually says, it can say any damn thing you can imagine.