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lpetrich · 03-11-2003, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Old Man
Homosexuality has been a criminal offence in many European countries for hundreds of years. ...

But all that was the result of a fake Church, right?

Also, the Byzantine Emperor Justinian's justification for outlawing homosexual acts is that such acts cause earthquakes, famines, and plagues, and that the Bible records that whole cities have been destroyed as a result of such acts. (Novellae, 77) Justinian was the author of the influential legal compendium Corpus Iuris Civilis, an important source for Roman law.

But if homosexual acts cause earthquakes, then why hasn't New York City been hit by a really big one? It likely has more homosexual people than San Francisco, the obvious target.

MyKell · 03-11-2003, 09:08 AM

But San Francisco has a higher percentage of homosexuals, doesn't it?
If it's true then one prediction of the homosexual act/earthquake causality hypothesis is verified.. haha!

Edwin · 03-11-2003, 01:57 PM

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In anycase what is certain is that many people have been prevented from living normal heterosexual lives through being corrupted by homosexuals in their youth

In anycase what is certain is that many people have been prevented from living normal homosexual lives through being corrupted by heterosexuals in their youth

Jove · 03-11-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Godless Sodomite
Don't worry, Old Man. I wouldn't suck your lousy dick if I were suffocating and you had oxygen in your balls.

-Jerry

I love you. Can I bear your children?

Beetle · 03-11-2003, 04:01 PM

I do wonder how many of the biblical "hard-liners" actually know somebody who is gay? When I was a Calvinist, I didn't know any gay people (or if I did, I didn't know that they were), so it was very easy to nod in agreement when hearing all the condemnation of the "lifestyle" even though I didn't personally care one way or the other about what people did. (a holdover from my liberal upbringing)

That became much harder for me when the "faceless gay person" being condemned morphed into "the nice lady who works in my office." (or "Willow Rosenberg"

) That forced me to seriously question what was being said, and realize that it had real consequences to real people.

HaysooChreesto! · 03-11-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
Well, it convinced me. And I'm still a sinner, trying not to be, but I know I can do nothing to warrant God's hatred.

Gemma Therese

Any psych majors want to handle this one?

winstonjen · 03-11-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Old Man

Nevertheless, the bible's message is one of uncondiional forgiveness, and that all men must repent in response to it. Have you?

That's hardly unconditional now, is it? Only those who repent are forgiven.

Lobstrosity · 03-12-2003, 12:00 AM

Sounds like a condition to me. Maybe he should have said that the Bible's message is one of conditional forgiveness, although that really doesn't sound nearly as impressive/awe-inspiring.

winstonjen · 03-12-2003, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Lobstrosity
Sounds like a condition to me. Maybe he should have said that the Bible's message is one of conditional forgiveness, although that really doesn't sound nearly as impressive/awe-inspiring.

Well, honestly was never a trademark of religion now, was it?

Autonemesis · 03-12-2003, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Old Man
In any case, given that I believe all unrepentant homosexuals over 21 ought to be executed, they are hardly likely to want to be friends with me.

Is a call for violence against certain people a bannable offence? If not, what is?

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03-11-2003, 09:08 AM	#52
MyKell Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Amman, Jordan Posts: 258	But San Francisco has a higher percentage of homosexuals, doesn't it? If it's true then one prediction of the homosexual act/earthquake causality hypothesis is verified.. haha!

03-11-2003, 04:01 PM	#55
Beetle Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Massachusetts State Home for the Bewildered Posts: 961	I do wonder how many of the biblical "hard-liners" actually know somebody who is gay? When I was a Calvinist, I didn't know any gay people (or if I did, I didn't know that they were), so it was very easy to nod in agreement when hearing all the condemnation of the "lifestyle" even though I didn't personally care one way or the other about what people did. (a holdover from my liberal upbringing) That became much harder for me when the "faceless gay person" being condemned morphed into "the nice lady who works in my office." (or "Willow Rosenberg" ) That forced me to seriously question what was being said, and realize that it had real consequences to real people.

03-12-2003, 12:00 AM	#58
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	Sounds like a condition to me. Maybe he should have said that the Bible's message is one of conditional forgiveness, although that really doesn't sound nearly as impressive/awe-inspiring.

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