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leonarde · 02-07-2003, 11:29 AM

So, ex-idaho, you find British experience with an established (established here by a court of law) terrorist attack sponsored by Libya in British airspace in the 1980s and the attendant intelligence sharing by the US, Britain, and other nations "irrelevant" to Britain's capacity to evaluate whether Iraq is sponsoring terrorism today. Okaaay. Fine. We disagree. Big time.

Cheers!

ex-idaho · 02-07-2003, 11:41 AM

The gods are looking out for me Leonarde. Here is a story written today about the vaunted skills of the British intelligence service.

British Iraq report plagerized

here are a few excerpts:

Quote:

The sun that set so long ago on the British empire left those once-vaunted British intelligence services in the dark as well. That would explain why the secret civil servants who created an "Iraq deception" report -- cited by Colin Powell at the U.N. -- plagiarized several pages from magazine articles and a California academic's research papers.

Quote:

Channel 4 News, the independent British channel, broke the plagiarism story Thursday night, reporting that "the bulk of the nineteen page document was copied from three different articles -- one written by a graduate student." The Blair government released the British intelligence paper on Monday as a prelude to Powell's U.N. address the following morning. With the title "Iraq -- Its Infrastructure of Concealment Deception and Intimidation," the document outlines the structure and activities of Baghdad's intelligence agencies.

Quote:

The Channel 4 Web site includes pages from both papers for comparison. Its analysis shows that the same typos and grammatical mistakes appear in both versions. The chief contribution of the British intelligence analysts appears to have been the addition of such terms as "terrorist."

leonarde · 02-07-2003, 04:46 PM

Well, since the "graduate student" is/was? a postgraduate at Monterey Institute of International Studies and is apparently VERY conversant with Iraq's WMD infrastruture, I say "bully for them!".
Neither MI6 nor the CIA is in the book-selling business, nor are they to be held up to the standards of academic or even cheesy dime-store novel writers. They are in the intelligence gathering business. That's by hook or by crook. It's a little bit like Milton Berle's joke stealing: more power to 'em. Too bad about the typos though.

Cheers

emphryio · 02-08-2003, 11:34 AM

Moon,
Well I counted at least four more people in this thread that are ignorant of the actual role of the media. (Pyscho Economist, Aerion, Clutch, Finch).

Of course I could mention that they really NEED to read Manufacturing Consent by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky but it's probably a waste of time even mentioning it.

I have managed to get my brother-in-law to read it. (He's fairly well educated, currently returning to school to get a PhD in history.) But even he has taken 3 months so far to read half of it. Of course halfway through his world view is taking a serious change.

But the sad reality is the majority of the Pyscho Economists, Aerions, and Clutchs of the world will simply never know what is going on. (Even though they are really of above average intelligence.)

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02-07-2003, 11:29 AM	#21
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	So, ex-idaho, you find British experience with an established (established here by a court of law) terrorist attack sponsored by Libya in British airspace in the 1980s and the attendant intelligence sharing by the US, Britain, and other nations "irrelevant" to Britain's capacity to evaluate whether Iraq is sponsoring terrorism today. Okaaay. Fine. We disagree. Big time. Cheers!

02-07-2003, 04:46 PM	#23
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	Well, since the "graduate student" is/was? a postgraduate at Monterey Institute of International Studies and is apparently VERY conversant with Iraq's WMD infrastruture, I say "bully for them!". Neither MI6 nor the CIA is in the book-selling business, nor are they to be held up to the standards of academic or even cheesy dime-store novel writers. They are in the intelligence gathering business. That's by hook or by crook. It's a little bit like Milton Berle's joke stealing: more power to 'em. Too bad about the typos though. Cheers

02-08-2003, 11:34 AM	#24
emphryio Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WV Posts: 4,369	Moon, Well I counted at least four more people in this thread that are ignorant of the actual role of the media. (Pyscho Economist, Aerion, Clutch, Finch). Of course I could mention that they really NEED to read Manufacturing Consent by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky but it's probably a waste of time even mentioning it. I have managed to get my brother-in-law to read it. (He's fairly well educated, currently returning to school to get a PhD in history.) But even he has taken 3 months so far to read half of it. Of course halfway through his world view is taking a serious change. But the sad reality is the majority of the Pyscho Economists, Aerions, and Clutchs of the world will simply never know what is going on. (Even though they are really of above average intelligence.)

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