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Old 08-05-2003, 12:49 PM   #31
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But there you go, you see, when someone tells you that Jesus is the answer you're in the wrong religion.
Actually, when someone tells me that Jesus is the answer, I think that they are in the wrong religion, not me.

How do we figure out who is right?
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Old 08-05-2003, 12:53 PM   #32
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I've never met an atheist who doesn't think theists are deluded. What is "deluded"? Believing in things that are not true. And if the atheist in contrast to the theist is not deluded, then it follows that the atheist has the truth.
No, it doesn't follow at all. If I know that Bob has put either a quarter or a nickel in a box and you say that it's a penny then I can say that you are deluded but still not know what is in the box. The world isn't right vs. wrong, it's right, wrong or don't know to various degrees. I believe I'm right that there are no gods but I am willing to concede that I could be wrong and would be happy to consider any evidence that can be given to me to show me the error in my belief. I have yet to meet a theist aside from some very liberal ones like pantheists and deists that is willing to say that they could be wrong about their gods' existences.
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Top Reasons I'm Happier Being Atheist:

1. I see 'The Club' for what it is.
2. I no longer fracture my conscience and brain trying to "have faith."
3. I'm fascinated by discovery, not stunted by what god wills.
4. The endless contradictions of doctrine and dogma no longer concern me.
5. I know where I come from, why I'm here and where I'm going.
6. I allocate my time judiciously, it's all the time I have.
7. Relationships are more valuable to me because life is short.
8. I'm immune to jingoistic nationalism wrapped in piety.
9. I actually make things happen instead of praying for things to happen to me.
10. I value the cultures, experiences, and opinions of others and don't automatically reject them as 'base,' or 'damned.'
11. I understand the incredible opportunities available in the world, without rejecting them as 'worldly desires.'
12. I am responsible for my own actions, my sins and my accomplishments are my own.
13. I am more worried about rectifying what I'm doing wrong, instead of worrying about what others are doing wrong.
14. I look forward to mankind throwing off the shackles of superstition and stepping into the future relying on our wits only.
15. I can get a BJ without going to hell.

I refuse to let apocalyptic death cults control my future.
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Old 08-05-2003, 01:13 PM   #34
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I would imagine Atheists are happy because it is faulty logic to assume that religion is the only thing that makes people completely happy. I've also heard this argument regarding "unconditional love." Happiness and love are virtues attainable by most.
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I've never met an atheist who doesn't think theists are deluded. What is "deluded"? Believing in things that are not true. And if the atheist in contrast to the theist is not deluded, then it follows that the atheist has the truth.
Unlike for the theist, for the atheist the truth can be "I don't know yet." For example, I don't know why I am here or how the universe was created, in fact I don't even know if those are valid questions. In theism the answer to any philosophical question is either "I know" or "Goddidit (It can't be known)." There is no room for constructing new theories based on new observations that contradict the old theories (i.e. heresy). This excluding the more liberal theists who can seperate most aspects of the universe from their faith.

Furthermore there is no "absolute truth" in atheism, unlike theism. Only what is most likely to be true based on the current evidence.

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Atheists and Christians share the thought that those outside their group are in delusion, ie in error.
Okay... and you seem to think both xians and atheists are in error, and therefore by your defintion "delusional." So how are you above the fray, which is what you seem to be implying?

I might add that, as an atheist I only think theists are in error on the specific topic of whether god exists. They usually can function elsewhere and be not delusional. OTOH even today many theists will insist that atheists are inherently wicked, and therefore in error, and therefore delusional on every topic.

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Old 08-05-2003, 02:18 PM   #36
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Why are atheists happy? Hmmm...is there some theological reason we shouldn't be happy? And if so, doesn't the fact we are happy argue against that theology? Maybe someone can formulate a new argument against the existence of God, the Argument From Happy Atheists?

1) If God exists, all atheists would be unhappy (I know I would be, I'd lose several bets)
2) All atheists aren't unhappy.
3) Therefore, God does not exist. (Cool. Now I can collect beer money )
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Both atheists and Christians share the detestable trait of having zeal for truth. That's what I can't stand.

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Okay... and you seem to think both xians and atheists are in error, and therefore by your defintion "delusional." So how are you above the fray, which is what you seem to be implying?


I don't think Christians and atheists are in error. I just think they're too rational, too evidential. I'm an anti-rational, anti-evidential person, and I can't stand that sort of thing. In my book, those games of "truth" and "error" should be discarded. I don't care a fig about truth; all I care about is happiness.
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I am really no happier or more depressed than when I was catholic. Although I do get a slight twinge of delight every sunday morning when I realize that I'm not going to church.
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Because we're evil, silly.
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I don't think Christians and atheists are in error. I just think they're too rational, too evidential. I'm an anti-rational, anti-evidential person, and I can't stand that sort of thing. In my book, those games of "truth" and "error" should be discarded. I don't care a fig about truth; all I care about is happiness.
Then how do we know you’re telling the truth?
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