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Thomas Metcalf · 04-19-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by 7thangel :

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Not really, if you knew that men are nothing but worms.

That's some nice argument by assertion.

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Yes, too much to ask for a clay to ask the potter of equality.

If the potter is omnibenevolent, then it's not too much to ask.

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Who told you there is no reason at all?

I can't think of any good reasons to believe he had good reasons.

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Nonsense? Even you, as an atheist, do you love everybody? Do you forgive everybody?

I would if I were omnibenevolent. I try to do so, nonetheless.

Hawkingfan · 04-22-2003, 07:01 AM

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[i]Nice words, could you say more constructive rated R words? I mean something "adults," or "mature," people can appreciate.[/B]

Sure, "it's more like a life-sentenced inmate and his male concubine".

theIPU · 04-27-2003, 11:21 AM

Do omnipotence contradictions even matter? I think that just because humans can't understand how something can be done an omnipotent being could still make it happen. E.G.: an omnipotent being can't make a square circle or married bachelors, because those are contradictory by definition. However, an omnipotent being could still do it, we just don't know how it would.

HRG · 04-28-2003, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by theIPU
Do omnipotence contradictions even matter? I think that just because humans can't understand how something can be done an omnipotent being could still make it happen. E.G.: an omnipotent being can't make a square circle or married bachelors, because those are contradictory by definition. However, an omnipotent being could still do it, we just don't know how it would.

This is a question of the result, not of the methods. No object whatsoever could fulfill the conditions for being a square circle or a married bachelor.

Regards,
HRG.

Hawkingfan · 04-28-2003, 06:42 AM

Judges 1
19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots.

Maybe God should worry about iron chariots before taking on that big rock.

johngalt · 05-01-2003, 03:31 PM

Omnipotent means all-powerful. I think, therefore, that god should be able to do that which is logically impossible, because he is god and because he is omnipotent. If you put a limit on what he can do, then He is not omnipotent. But if he cannot do something which is logically impossible, then he still isn't omnipotent. God should be able to make square circles and make 2+2=50.

Hawkingfan · 05-02-2003, 07:46 AM

I agree. Feeding 5,000+ people with 5 loaves and 2 fish is logically impossible.

04-27-2003, 11:21 AM	#73
theIPU Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 65	Omnipotence contradictions Do omnipotence contradictions even matter? I think that just because humans can't understand how something can be done an omnipotent being could still make it happen. E.G.: an omnipotent being can't make a square circle or married bachelors, because those are contradictory by definition. However, an omnipotent being could still do it, we just don't know how it would.

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04-28-2003, 06:42 AM	#75
Hawkingfan Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247	Judges 1 19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots. Maybe God should worry about iron chariots before taking on that big rock.

05-01-2003, 03:31 PM	#76
johngalt Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 204	Omnipotent means all-powerful. I think, therefore, that god should be able to do that which is logically impossible, because he is god and because he is omnipotent. If you put a limit on what he can do, then He is not omnipotent. But if he cannot do something which is logically impossible, then he still isn't omnipotent. God should be able to make square circles and make 2+2=50.

05-02-2003, 07:46 AM	#77
Hawkingfan Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247	I agree. Feeding 5,000+ people with 5 loaves and 2 fish is logically impossible.

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