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07-19-2003, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Nic Hautamaki
Ok, yes, all omnisciense says, on it's own, is that the being will know what you will do before you do it. If God is merely a passive observer, he is still of course morally absolved, and I suppose we can all have free will. What bothers me is that God made us, with perfect knowledge of how we will turn out, and that he has unlimited power to make us exactly how he wants us to be. Clark's argument doesn't really address that at all, unless I'm really missing something.

OK. I think you finally see the point that I was trying to make ... you need more than just omniscience + first cause to make your case.

Once you start adding in omnipotence ("he has unlimited power to ...") and some sort of rationale to creation ("how he wants ..."), then I think you can make a much better case.

Scandal · 07-20-2003, 10:00 AM

Hi Mosaic, you said:

"People don't seem to understand, or want to admit that when early man deified winds its made him able to act on it, by giving these things personality, some control was granted through rituals"

IMO the world/nature embodies Spirit and early man acted on this intuition.

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07-20-2003, 10:00 AM	#32
Scandal Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 131	Hi Mosaic, you said: "People don't seem to understand, or want to admit that when early man deified winds its made him able to act on it, by giving these things personality, some control was granted through rituals" IMO the world/nature embodies Spirit and early man acted on this intuition.

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