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lisarea · 07-24-2003, 10:33 AM

Here you go:

Uh, yeah, I think I heard something about, like, Al Qaeda being in Iraq or something. Maybe Iran. I think I fell asleep before I finished reading the word is all. It was probably, like, Iraq or Ireland or Iran or the Iriquois nation or something. Um, so can we bomb Iran now? On purpose this time?

Oh, yeah, I remember now. It was Clinton's fault. Yeah, Clinton probably told me that stuff. Stupid Clinton!

Can I have that speechwriter job now?

Grumpy · 07-24-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Happy Wonderer
...I saw a 'spin' that the Iraqi nuclear report wasn't read in entirety by the White House because it had 90 pages and footnotes

Say, whatever happened to the Paperwork Reduction Act, overseen by some guy named Gore? (I think the link has something to do with it; I didn't read to the end.)

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posted by eldar1011
Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda shared a hatred for America and our freedoms. They were both comrpised of evildoers determined to destroy our way of life.
In this manner, they were allied ideologically.

Nah. By that logic, North Korea is allied with Al Qaeda. Axis of something or other.

Cicero · 07-24-2003, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Flynn McKerrow
You already have a thread for this. I take this to mean that you have no comment. How surprising.

What do you expect? She is simply repeating the Limbaugh mantra that "the Dems have nobody". When a viable candidate is mentioned, she has no pre-packaged answers.

It WAS funny watching her get ripped apart on her own thread, though...

Cicero · 07-24-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Laci
So Laci, in your view, what is the most likely explanation for this?

1) Bush deliberately lied to the American people about Saddam and al-Qaida.

2) Bush was "asleep at the switch" and honestly thought that Saddam and al-Qaida were working together.

3) Bush's speechwriters had information linking Saddam with al-Qaida, but the information was so top-secret that they didn't dare share it with the CIA.

4) Other (append your explanation here).

I'd rather choose from my own unbiased list and not yours'.

Your list is "unbiased"?

lunachick · 07-24-2003, 02:57 PM

Has her unbiased list been posted somewhere? I must've missed it. Anyone have a link, or can point me in the right direction? Cheers.

Sauron · 07-24-2003, 03:48 PM

...just bumping this so that Laci can provide us with her 'unbiased list'.

Assuming she ever had such a list, of course.

Oh, hell, why go through the pleasant formalities - she never had any such list.

RawData · 07-24-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by MegaDave
(perhaps her (Laci's) speechwriters are working on it....)

When is there going to be a more serious call to arms in America for making Shrub explain all his lies and deciets (sp?). To say "We didn't read it because it was too long and had footnotes", when the article you should have read could have decided wether or not to go to war, is analogous to a freakin 10 year old brat kid not doing his homework becuase it had too much reading.

This president makes me sick.

Well Mega, that would be "i before e, except after c"

RD

Farren · 07-24-2003, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by RawData
Well Mega, that would be "i before e, except after c"

RD

LOL

satanka · 07-24-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by lisarea

Uh, yeah, I think I heard something about, like, Al Qaeda being in Iraq or something. Maybe Iran. I think I fell asleep before I finished reading the word is all. It was probably, like, Iraq or Ireland or Iran or the Iriquois nation or something. Um, so can we bomb Iran now? On purpose this time?

Oh, yeah, I remember now. It was Clinton's fault. Yeah, Clinton probably told me that stuff. Stupid Clinton!

Can I have that speechwriter job now?

Speechwriter? Wouldn't be prudent. Not if you want to really make a connection with the Iroquois people.

You got it half right about al qaeda. Iraq and Iran? Yeah, no doubt about it. No confirmation yet on al qaeda being in Ireland, that I am aware of.

Since you mentioned former president William Jefferson Blythe IV, let me quote his words from yesterday:

Quote:

"Let me tell you what I know. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it we might have none of it. But we didn't know.

So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be a regime change, not just continued sanctions.

But this State of the Union deal they decided to use the British intelligence. The president said it was British intelligence. Then they said on balance they shouldn't have done it. You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in awhile."

Clinton's fault? I wouldn't go so far as to lay the blame solely on him.

themistocles · 07-24-2003, 06:51 PM

I don't think Bush ever linked Saddam to 9/11. I'm certain a myth by critics of Bush that this is the case stems from polls in which much of the nation did believe in such a connection along with the fact that Bush claimed 9/11 adjusted his view to foreign policy (giving birth to pre-emptive attack as a more viable option) in which acting now to prevent future disaster was a key ingredient.

Because I've never heard or seen a quote from Bush which linked Saddam to 9/11 (Christ, I recall reading/seeing Bush speak a gazillion times between 9/11 and the Iraq war), clearly this is a straw man fallacy.

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Sauron Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In the dark places of the world Posts: 8,093	Nothing to add..... ...just bumping this so that Laci can provide us with her 'unbiased list'. Assuming she ever had such a list, of course. Oh, hell, why go through the pleasant formalities - she never had any such list.

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07-24-2003, 10:33 AM	#21
lisarea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado, USA Posts: 5,550	Here you go: Uh, yeah, I think I heard something about, like, Al Qaeda being in Iraq or something. Maybe Iran. I think I fell asleep before I finished reading the word is all. It was probably, like, Iraq or Ireland or Iran or the Iriquois nation or something. Um, so can we bomb Iran now? On purpose this time? Oh, yeah, I remember now. It was Clinton's fault. Yeah, Clinton probably told me that stuff. Stupid Clinton! Can I have that speechwriter job now?

07-24-2003, 02:57 PM	#25
lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Has her unbiased list been posted somewhere? I must've missed it. Anyone have a link, or can point me in the right direction? Cheers.

07-24-2003, 06:51 PM	#30
themistocles Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: las vegas, nevada Posts: 670	I don't think Bush ever linked Saddam to 9/11. I'm certain a myth by critics of Bush that this is the case stems from polls in which much of the nation did believe in such a connection along with the fact that Bush claimed 9/11 adjusted his view to foreign policy (giving birth to pre-emptive attack as a more viable option) in which acting now to prevent future disaster was a key ingredient. Because I've never heard or seen a quote from Bush which linked Saddam to 9/11 (Christ, I recall reading/seeing Bush speak a gazillion times between 9/11 and the Iraq war), clearly this is a straw man fallacy.

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