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DivineOb · 04-13-2003, 06:38 PM

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Second, assuming God does exist - its quite arrogant of you to expect Him to accomodate you don't you think? You don't order the President to accomodate you at your leisure, so why the heck would you expect the Creator of the Universe to bow to you? Check that ego at the front door please...

I don't expect the president to accomodate my every need because the president's time is very valuable, and any time he spends shooting the breeze with me is time spent not protecting this country. Are you saying that simply by virtue of being president, GWB's time is more valuable than mine, or is it because of the responsibility associated with that job that his time is valuable?

The christian god, however, is not limited in this way. Him appearing in front of me whenever I want him to would not cost him anything monetarily, physically, emotionally etc. It would not prevent him from 'having fun' or 'getting his work done' or distract him from his intended purpose.

The only reason something is an imposition on someone is because of what it costs them to perform that particular action. The only thing one can claim that it would cost the christian god (setting aside the free will implications for now) to appear in front of me on command would be 'majesty' or 'honor' or something like that, but I'll wait to see if you are going to claim that before responding to it.

Bobzammel · 04-13-2003, 06:57 PM

Actually Magus, the bible is also done in Aramaic(A variant of Hebrew) and also most of the NT is Greek.

Magus55 · 04-13-2003, 08:39 PM

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Actually Magus, the bible is also done in Aramaic(A variant of Hebrew) and also most of the NT is Greek.

I was referring to the OT.

Sauron · 04-13-2003, 11:33 PM

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[B] The reason that it states that things were created in different orders, is because Gen 2 is taken from the perspective of Adam. Notice where it says, God brought the animals to Adam to name? Since when Adam first had conciousness, He was the only one in the area, He assumed, or believed himself to have been created before the animals, because when God brought them to Him, He figured God just created them, after Him and thats why He was only seeing them at that point.

What a load of horse manure. So the bible got it wrong, because Adam's perspective was skewed - is that your explanation here?

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Also, alot of supposed contradictions, are just based on semantics.

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Alot of words in Hebrew, don't translate well into English. For example, in the english translation when referring to the earth's spherical shape, it states circular. Many people use that as a contradiction because it can refer to the earth being flat, as oppose to a sphere.

Yep. The Mesopotamian myths (from which Genesis borrowed) imagined a flat earth shaped like a disk, or a manhole cover. The earth is still round, but it's also still flat.

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There is no Hebrew translation for sphere, so circle is generally used to refer to the Earth's globe shape.

Hebrew has no word for sphere? Again, nonsense.

cpickett · 04-14-2003, 08:33 AM

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No its not talking about day one. Genesis 2 is the past tense of creation, that we see in Genesis 1. It says in the day that God made the Heavens. Its from Adams prespective, briefly summarizing what God did in Genesis 1. We use the same language today. Don't we say things like " in the days of my parents", or "back in those days". Its the same thing. Its not talking about day 1, its talking about Day 1-5, from Adams prespective, as a history of what God did before Adam was created.

1. Where in the bible does it give reason to believe that it is Adam's POV?

2. We say "back in my parents day" as an account of what happened in our parents day, not of what happened "5 days" later.

And BTW you still haven't proved that SAB is not 100% accurate

Magus55 · 04-14-2003, 09:20 AM

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1. Where in the bible does it give reason to believe that it is Adam's POV?

2. We say "back in my parents day" as an account of what happened in our parents day, not of what happened "5 days" later.

And BTW you still haven't proved that SAB is not 100% accurate

1. Because of the context and views of how Genesis 2 is written fits in line with how someone in Adam's situation would react and describe things.

2. Um, Adam didn't know how long ago God created the heavens and earth. All He knew was it was past tense. How long ago is irrelevant. Its still history.

Are you supporting Mark in that the SAB is 100% accurate? The entire thread disagrees with that.

cpickett · 04-14-2003, 09:33 AM

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1. Because of the context and views of how Genesis 2 is written fits in line with how someone in Adam's situation would react and describe things.

2. Um, Adam didn't know how long ago God created the heavens and earth. All He knew was it was past tense. How long ago is irrelevant. Its still history.

Are you supporting Mark in that the SAB is 100% accurate? The entire thread disagrees with that.

Oh, come on, the bible says nothing of the sort, it is the story of the creation of man, told from a third "persons" POV.

That wasn't my point, my point was that even though it was history, there is no reason it should have been reversed.

heh, nope, was just saying, that you have yet to prove otherwise, so you have no right to taunt mark about it.

mark9950 · 04-14-2003, 09:40 AM

Have a word for ball (sphere).

cpickett · 04-14-2003, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55 There is no Hebrew translation for sphere, so circle is generally used to refer to the Earth's globe shape.

Isaiah 22:18 - and whirl you round and round, and throw you like a ball into a wide land; there you shall die, and there shall be your splendid chariots, you shame of your master's house.

The word used here is "Duwr" (Dure).

Magus55 · 04-14-2003, 11:50 AM

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heh, nope, was just saying, that you have yet to prove otherwise, so you have no right to taunt mark about it.

The fact that everyone on this thread said alot of SAB is actually misinterpretation and poor analysis other than Mark is quite sufficient evidence that its not 100% correct. That and Mark STILL hasn't proven its 100% correct, which He claimed He could.

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