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Mad Kally · 02-20-2003, 06:08 PM

Tell that to Christopher Reeves.

02-20-2003, 06:17 PM

And tell it to the scientists and other "heretics" who were tortured and killed when the Holy Church ruled the world. But you can't tell them. They were murdered by fanatical religionists.

02-20-2003, 06:19 PM

I would like to invite you all to use your creativity and predict how a 90% atheist world would be?

My reply : It will be a dead world ... with people walking around like machines, accepting data without bother processing it since it is already processed by some "Intelligent" unit called science which is mastered by another bunch of machines called Scientist.

Will people be more moral or less?

My reply : Less ... since everyone wants to have as much action as possible since they know they will die at any moment.

What will be the postive & negative developments?

My reply : Cannot be determined ... since development usually done by both Theists and Atheism alike.

Will there be more peace as religion related tensions disappear? etc.

My reply : No peace. Religious wars will be replaced by urban wars where people will fight to get more than their neighbours (since they want to enjoy more before they die).

JEST2ASK · 02-20-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by stretch
I think that there would be no discernible effect on morality.

And people would find other way to satisfy the seemingly insatiable drive towards 'tribalism' of some sort ... so the world would not be any more or less peaceful.

We (Humans) will always find ways to create Them vs US*.
I agree basic morality would not change however I would hope it would be a more rational world. However I am not to sure that unrestrained technology would be the best result

*not to be confused with U.S.

JEST2ASK · 02-20-2003, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Seraphim
I would like to invite you all to use your creativity and predict how a 90% atheist world would be?

My reply : It will be a dead world ... with people walking around like machines, accepting data without bother processing it since it is already processed by some "Intelligent" unit called science which is mastered by another bunch of machines called Scientist.

Will people be more moral or less?

My reply : Less ... since everyone wants to have as much action as possible since they know they will die at any moment.

What will be the postive & negative developments?

My reply : Cannot be determined ... since development usually done by both Theists and Atheism alike.

Will there be more peace as religion related tensions disappear? etc.

My reply : No peace. Religious wars will be replaced by urban wars where people will fight to get more than their neighbours (since they want to enjoy more before they die).

Funny how a Christian Nation is the World's number one consumer. Funny how a nation founded on "Religious" tolerance is so intolerant. Funny how Christians seem to do as much to prolong their lives as any non-believer.

However thank you for you insights. Please Pray for us.

philechat · 02-20-2003, 06:36 PM

What we need are non-exclusive religions, not universal atheism. Atheism is not exactly the most optimistic philosophy existed on this earth, and given that many people appear to be less independent in thought and decision, atheism might not be the best solution to say an average person's mental health.

More public education, and perhaps a more tolerant kind of religion would help. And let people decide their beliefs for themselves. I have not much faith in dreaming for a beloved "atheist society".

02-20-2003, 06:42 PM

Funny how a Christian Nation is the World's number one consumer. Funny how a nation founded on "Religious" tolerance is so intolerant. Funny how Christians seem to do as much to prolong their lives as any non-believer.

My reply :
1. Consumer exists because there is someone willing to sell something (demand exist), don't see what so funny about that or why it is related to Christianity (or any other religion/teaching for that matter)

2. Tolerance or intolerance is policy made by MEN, not God. Your leader will say they are Christians and they are tolerance toward non-Christians today, and a year from now, they could wage war against non-believers.

3. EVERYONE wants to live for a long time, only difference is that some wish to live in the next world by thinking this world is not important while others thinks this world is important as stepping stone.

However thank you for you insights. Please Pray for us.

My reply : You're welcome. Praying won't do anything for anyone if we don't do anything. God doesn't help anyone if the person doesn't make the first move toward helping themselves.

JEST2ASK · 02-20-2003, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Seraphim
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My reply :
1. Consumer exists because there is someone willing to sell something (demand exist), don't see what so funny about that or why it is related to Christianity (or any other religion/teaching for that matter)

2. Tolerance or intolerance is policy made by MEN, not God. Your leader will say they are Christians and they are tolerance toward non-Christians today, and a year from now, they could wage war against non-believers.

3. EVERYONE wants to live for a long time, only difference is that some wish to live in the next world by thinking this world is not important while others thinks this world is important as stepping stone.

However thank you for you insights. Please Pray for us.

My reply : You're welcome. Praying won't do anything for anyone if we don't do anything. God doesn't help anyone if the person doesn't make the first move toward helping themselves.

Priorities ... if the majority of Christians would practice what they profess ... I find it difficult to believe that this country would be as it is.

For example it seems that there is a movement to convince Christians not to buy SUV's or other upscale vehicles .... Check your church parking lot this Sunday and see how many are for sale.

Rhea · 02-20-2003, 07:06 PM

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The world is not 90 percent theist. China is an atheist state, Communist nations are as well(and they contain a sizeable portion of the world's population), Buddhists are atheists, as are some Taosists etc. Having the majority of China alone makes it impossible that theists compose 90 percent of the world's population.

You've got some studying to do. China may have a secular or even Atheist government, but the people sure as hell aren't atheists. They are one of the most superstitious populations on the planet. That ain't atheist. As for "communist nations", do you mean like Catholic Cuba?

You've got some studying to do, grasshopper.

I suspect it would be at least marginally more peaceful and more moral. There is a certain mandate that religion provides to people's intolerance. I agree we'd find a way to have tribalism, but it wouldn't be rooted in TRUTH and would loose some of its oomph.

Plus, without religion the population would go down, easing probalems of resources and even greed. IMO.

02-20-2003, 07:28 PM

Priorities ... if the majority of Christians would practice what they profess ... I find it difficult to believe that this country would be as it is.

My reply : If you're looking for equal rights for all and things like fairness ... sorry, you won't find it among Humans ... at least in this century anyway.

You think anyone will support a group (of any following) if they (the leaders) came out and say that the other group next to them have equal rights as they do?

For example it seems that there is a movement to convince Christians not to buy SUV's or other upscale vehicles .... Check your church parking lot this Sunday and see how many are for sale.

My reply : Why's that? God only permits entry to heaven for those who died in accidents while driving SUVs nowadays?

Who comes out with all this crap anyway?

PS : Malaysia don't have much SUVs on the road, got another type of car called Proton (Yes ... like the charged particle) - a locally made (about 80 - 90% of it anyway) vehicle. Government do encourage Malaysians to buy it but I have yet to hear at "fitrah" (religious orders) concerning the buying Proton cars only.

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02-20-2003, 06:08 PM	#11
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	Tell that to Christopher Reeves.

02-20-2003, 06:17 PM	#12
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	And tell it to the scientists and other "heretics" who were tortured and killed when the Holy Church ruled the world. But you can't tell them. They were murdered by fanatical religionists.

02-20-2003, 06:19 PM	#13
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	I would like to invite you all to use your creativity and predict how a 90% atheist world would be? My reply : It will be a dead world ... with people walking around like machines, accepting data without bother processing it since it is already processed by some "Intelligent" unit called science which is mastered by another bunch of machines called Scientist. Will people be more moral or less? My reply : Less ... since everyone wants to have as much action as possible since they know they will die at any moment. What will be the postive & negative developments? My reply : Cannot be determined ... since development usually done by both Theists and Atheism alike. Will there be more peace as religion related tensions disappear? etc. My reply : No peace. Religious wars will be replaced by urban wars where people will fight to get more than their neighbours (since they want to enjoy more before they die).

02-20-2003, 06:36 PM	#16
philechat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mind of the Other Posts: 886	What we need are non-exclusive religions, not universal atheism. Atheism is not exactly the most optimistic philosophy existed on this earth, and given that many people appear to be less independent in thought and decision, atheism might not be the best solution to say an average person's mental health. More public education, and perhaps a more tolerant kind of religion would help. And let people decide their beliefs for themselves. I have not much faith in dreaming for a beloved "atheist society".

02-20-2003, 06:42 PM	#17
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	Funny how a Christian Nation is the World's number one consumer. Funny how a nation founded on "Religious" tolerance is so intolerant. Funny how Christians seem to do as much to prolong their lives as any non-believer. My reply : 1. Consumer exists because there is someone willing to sell something (demand exist), don't see what so funny about that or why it is related to Christianity (or any other religion/teaching for that matter) 2. Tolerance or intolerance is policy made by MEN, not God. Your leader will say they are Christians and they are tolerance toward non-Christians today, and a year from now, they could wage war against non-believers. 3. EVERYONE wants to live for a long time, only difference is that some wish to live in the next world by thinking this world is not important while others thinks this world is important as stepping stone. However thank you for you insights. Please Pray for us. My reply : You're welcome. Praying won't do anything for anyone if we don't do anything. God doesn't help anyone if the person doesn't make the first move toward helping themselves.

02-20-2003, 07:28 PM	#20
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	Priorities ... if the majority of Christians would practice what they profess ... I find it difficult to believe that this country would be as it is. My reply : If you're looking for equal rights for all and things like fairness ... sorry, you won't find it among Humans ... at least in this century anyway. You think anyone will support a group (of any following) if they (the leaders) came out and say that the other group next to them have equal rights as they do? For example it seems that there is a movement to convince Christians not to buy SUV's or other upscale vehicles .... Check your church parking lot this Sunday and see how many are for sale. My reply : Why's that? God only permits entry to heaven for those who died in accidents while driving SUVs nowadays? Who comes out with all this crap anyway? PS : Malaysia don't have much SUVs on the road, got another type of car called Proton (Yes ... like the charged particle) - a locally made (about 80 - 90% of it anyway) vehicle. Government do encourage Malaysians to buy it but I have yet to hear at "fitrah" (religious orders) concerning the buying Proton cars only.

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