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Old 07-02-2003, 08:36 AM   #511
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First, my perspective:
I am a lesbian. I have been happily married for ten years, and have three children. One of our children is adopted.I am devoted to my spouse and our family.

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dk: Gays, bi-sexuals and Lesbians (GBL) fundamentally mistakes consensual sex for an objective
good necessary to happiness. Human sexuality like human beings is complex i.e. people are an
““end unto themselves””. GBL views sex as a ““means unto itself””. First the caricature
fundamentally mistakes a complex ““human being”” for a simple object. Second the concept fits a
person’’s head with an egotistical straightjacket that subjugates, dehumanizes and denigrates love
with a sex-zombie that substitutes immediate sexual-gratification and stimulation for human
dignity, will and intimacy. The confusion generated can permeate every fiber and impulse of
person’’s being to make the pursuit of 1) happiness impossible, 2) pursuit of sexual gratification
all consuming and 3) despair an intimate companion.
This does not fit my experience in any way. Just because physical expression of our love for one another does not result in pregnancy does not mean that it is a means unto itself, that either of us mistakes the other for an object, that it is dehumanizing, or degrades our dignity, will and intimacy. Like most healthy heterosexuals, the primary purpose of our physical love is to express and cement our love and commitment to each other. As a result, I am in fact very happy and fulfilled. I have not met despair.
Nor do I think I am an exception.

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Dk: Civilization, nations and all human institutions need the ability to raise healthy children, so it
is obviously a vital concern.
Actually, from my point of view, I find that homosexuality promotes the ability of our civilization to raise healthy children. That is because lesbian (and gay) sex never results in accidental pregancy. Therefore, all of our children are wanted and planned for. Heterosexual sex frequently results in the birth of children who are not wanted or planned for, and who suffer as a result. In fact, my youngest child is one such, an unplanned baby of a teenage mother. Don't you agree that the world would be a better place if every child that was born was wanted, planned for and loved?

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Old 07-02-2003, 10:21 AM   #512
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This does not fit my experience in any way. Just because physical expression of our love for one another does not result in pregnancy does not mean that it is a means unto itself, that either of us mistakes the other for an object, that it is dehumanizing, or degrades our dignity, will and intimacy.
Very good example. Physical expressions of love are a normal healthy part of a marital relationship. To try and draw a double standard and say that heterosexual sex in marriage is acceptable and that homosexual sex is not, is narrow-minded.
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Old 07-02-2003, 02:35 PM   #513
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Therefore, all of our children are wanted and planned for.
Seems like an important point to me, especially given so many children have no real home. Good post, heathendyke, thanks for sharing!
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