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Old 07-03-2003, 02:11 AM   #41
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Its confirmed, "The Serpent" is Franko.I've read through most of the thread, and its a laugh.

Special thanks to Tau, for being so very observant.Thanks to Jobar as well.

In Franko's statements, he claims NO free-will.But how does one proof that free-will exists.I'm curious to know, is there anyone that has proof(without any doubt), and free-will exists?

What do you guys think of his:

"Atoms obey tlop
You are made of atoms
Ergo: You obey tlop

Therefore free-will doesn't exist."

And the very often used "So why don't you explain to us how you came to the conclusion that when you flip a coin it ALWAYS lands "TAILS" up since there is no evidence that it will land "HEADS" up" statement.Which is the fastest way to disprove this statement?

Probably the most hilarilous assertions that Franko has made, is that HE is not real.

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Old 07-03-2003, 03:51 AM   #42
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What do you guys think of his:

"Atoms obey tlop
You are made of atoms
Ergo: You obey tlop

Therefore free-will doesn't exist."
What I think of this is...

Correct. You are an implementation of physics. So what. Next!

Addendum: is there any reason for me to think that "free willed-ness" cannot be a property of TLOP?
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Old 07-03-2003, 04:11 AM   #43
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Special thanks to Tau, for being so very observant.
Hey, nothing to thank for. While there's a fair number of loons out there on the 'net, Franko is really in a class of his own. Once you've seen some of his posts, he's easy to recognize.

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Probably the most hilarilous assertions that Franko has made, is that HE is not real.
Ah yes. "I'm just a figment of your imagination." Priceless.

And I'll just join the choir here and say that your username is great! Plus, it has the advantage that the Christians you debate cannot resort to ad hominem attacks.
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Old 07-03-2003, 05:34 AM   #44
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I wondering if its possible to change my username to Christ!, instead of my current "Christ."

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Old 07-03-2003, 07:30 AM   #45
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So why don't you explain to us how you came to the conclusion that when you flip a coin it ALWAYS lands "TAILS" up since there is no evidence that it will land "HEADS" up
Can someone please give me a clue as to what the f*** this means?
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Old 07-03-2003, 08:07 AM   #46
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Thats what i'm talking about.What exactly does it mean?

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What do you guys think of his:

"Atoms obey tlop
You are made of atoms
Ergo: You obey tlop

Therefore free-will doesn't exist."
I would say that he doesn't understand what the laws of physics are.
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Old 07-03-2003, 09:11 AM   #48
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Thats what i'm talking about.What exactly does it mean?
He's trying to make an analogy to some strawman atheist saying, "you can't prove God exists, therefore he doesnt"

Of course the anology doesn't even work on so many levels (obviously since people don't even know what he is talking about ). Just to start with, nobody is making the positive claim that the coin WILL land heads up to have to provide proof. So the analogy fails right there. Secondly, I don't know of any atheist that uses the lack of proof of God's existence as proof of God's nonexistence, so the analogy fails again on the strawman basis. And I'm sure there are many other levels of problems it has.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:09 AM   #49
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Guys I need your support, so try the link that I provided(at the top of the page), and see for yourself.It seems like Franco has brain-washed a new forum, and almost succeeded.Perhaps you guys can enter yourself and talk to Franco directly. If any decide to join, please can you mention the alias, so that I can recognise you.

In fact markfiend, why don't you use the link that I provided and read the Serpents(aka Franco) yourself? You guys should see Franko retort, HE is his own master He is currently responding to me and we both seem to enjoy each others company We have both "debated" for some time(unaware of his true self), until now.He is still asking me to prove that free-will(free-willy) exists.Furthermore, he asserts that he doesn't exist.Then he asks me to prove that he doesn't exist(how crazy is that).I stated that he might as well commit suicide, but that never worked.

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Are there any recent threads that Franko has participated in?

I challenge anyone to join me and discuss free-will with Franko?

Anyone?

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