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Old 09-02-2007, 11:03 PM   #1
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First off im not attacking any religions im just curious and wish that someone can talk/argue with me about god. Please feel free to post your view here, or email them to me. Please feel free to argue/agree with me.
Also im only 16 years old but im smart and im curious.
Alright now I got that out of the way here is the reason why im posting.
First off I believe there was a being who we refer to as good, do I believe hes omnicient (to a certain extent), I also believe without a doubt that we evolved from apes and before that some other organism.
Lets get somethings straight here, the earth revolves around the sun. Every grain of sand on the earth is less then the number of stars in our solarsystem. There are other planets (proven by telescopes and powerful recording tools) Dinosaurs fossils exist, Fossils that are in between humans and apes exist.
Now imgoing to give my opinion of what god is (or was), and all the examples i can back this to. If god created earth it means god couldnt have come from earth if god is not from earth, that means god is extraterrestial, an alien. God may be omniscient, god may be immortal, infallable, allpowerfull, everything the bible says about him.
Ok now the bible was written by humans, not god that evident in the bible, but it was written from gods (ideas) I do not believe god was standing next to the prophets (jonn, mathews etc.) and telling EXACTLY what write. Which means its put into a humans perspective at the time, for example. A firey chariot... take a moment to imagine that, ( i took 2 hours i could only come up with what resembles a jet). A jet 2000 years ago would probably look like a chariot on fire. Moses talked to a burning bush, to prove I can do the samething, I tossed a walky talky under a bush lit it on fire and I talked through it, thus imitating god. God sent an angel (a being that came from the heavens (heavens reffering to sky).
Jumping out of a helicopter 3000 feet above ground level with a parachute can duplicate that, does that mean your an angel in todays terms thats ridiculous but 2000 years ago. When people could not propell them selves a 100 feet high, would look like a miracle to me. Now parting a sea seems impossible in todays terms, but in 100 years will it seem like an impossible feat or would it seem like a simple act of mechanics, lets see now 110 years ago the engine was just being created, just 110 years ago now we have jumbo jets easily the size of football field able to lift off the ground and seemingly glide through the sky. Only 104 years ago did the first selfpropelled aircraft was invented. We have ships the size of a floating city (disney's cruise ships) there huge, collosal, titanic. There wonders in themself. We have bombs that can wipe out entire cities, that was 60 years ago we now have bombs we can launch into space come down on the other side of the planet and completely OBLITERATE, destroy anhialate, EVERYthing in a 50 mile radius. We have space ships that travel 25,000 miles an hour. We have hundreds of satellite rotating around the earth, we have the power to walk from england to france WALK ( you would have been laughed at when you told someone that 150 years ago).
The united states has a missile defence system so accurate they can launch a missle full of lead at speeds faster then a hand rifle, and to hit a target heading toward us at speeds of twice that of sound, the size of a football. We harness the power of an explosion that could destroy a world (nuclear power). In netherlands they have a **** that stops there country from flooding it Literally stops the power of the sea from invading there lands when it floods. Now is splitting an ocean so far beyond us not realy.
Now take someone from 2000 years ago place them in the present how would they describe a disneys cruise ship, would they say it was a floating city, floating monster of steel and metal easily the size of a palace? A jumbo jet a flying monster, or a firey chariot, maybe even an angel who knows? How about a car, maybe a horseless chariot that guys faster then a flying arrow? Maybe a monster controlled and manipulated as easy as a horse? A gun, maybe a handheld tool with the power of lightning. How about a nuclear bomb explosion (nothing less then a wrath of god greater then any in the bible. Is turning water into wine realy that hard? What if the person seen for example a submarine surface from under the water probably to describe it as nothing less then a collosal sea monster.
Or a skyscraper how on earth could they put that image into words, a wonder of steel and metal extending 1000 feet or more into the heavens.
SO would it be so hard for a colony of alians maybe not 200 years into the future but, thousands of years, millions of years into the future came to earth 2000 years ago created a religion and left, or are still here but so far advance there undetectable. So powerfull they can stop the earths rotation send a messenger to start there religion (jesus) walking on water nothing more then a simple parlor trick they can traverse the entire galaxy in decades, or minutes, or seconds, maybe just a fraction of a second. Would splitting a sea for them seem like a miracle or just a simple physics experiment, would creating a religion and convincing many people to follow a beliefe system they themselves created? would it be hard when they can stop the earths rotation or actually create earth. Would making a couple pieces of fish and bread be impossible or just a simple act of manipulation? would curing blindness be a problem to aliens who could split a sea or would they just need a few seconds to fix it. What would it take to convinve a few dozen people back in the year 100 ad to create a book about the religion? Im sure if i took a person from that time and put them in a movie theatre showing starwars and tell them to create a book about it, it would end up being some impossible fairy tale. Hollywood can create a movie that depicts a being that created earth in 7 days, that showed a fictional character leading slaves from an evil tyrant, they can make a movie showing an earth split into to parts, or the earth stopping or SHOW dinosaurs, Of course wouldnt believe the movie the events actually happend like that but 2000 years ago I would believe it, because then if you seen it happen then it must of happend if you could see it then it existed. It would be so easy to convince someone about something with a movie if you could show it to them 2000 years ago.
SO could god be an alien, Id like to hear your opinions that you for reading this.
Also the reason why, I believe the concepts of heaven or hell were just made up to encourage people to follow the teachings of God, because there is no worse punishment then going to hell or no better reward then heaven. Why dont atheists kill people today afraid of going to hell probably not, but they are afraid of getting sent to jail or being executed, or even are just good people who find it awful to murder someone. Now if there were people who forced people to be christians and believe in jesus and god in united states we would all be devout christians. (because we would be dead or we would have to follow christianity.) Heaven or hell as i see is just something, to convince god exists and follow his teaching. If the bible was so believeable there would be no need for such things as reward to those who believe it and consequences for those who dont. Wouldnt a merciful god be willing to prove his existance to those who die and to allow everyone into heaven, as if you meet god face to face there would be no way to deny such a powerful god or diety?
human and ape fossils exists, just type in human evolution on google the sites are mostly all the same theory over and over with the same evidence, including the fossil of (lucy) a primate human mix.
Please please please leave a response after reading this.
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First off im not attacking any religions im just curious and wish that someone can talk/argue with me about god. Please feel free to post your view here, or email them to me. Please feel free to argue/agree with me.
Also im only 16 years old but im smart and im curious.
Alright now I got that out of the way here is the reason why im posting.
First off I believe there was a being who we refer to as good, do I believe hes omnicient (to a certain extent), I also believe without a doubt that we evolved from apes and before that some other organism.
Lets get somethings straight here, the earth revolves around the sun. Every grain of sand on the earth is less then the number of stars in our solarsystem. There are other planets (proven by telescopes and powerful recording tools) Dinosaurs fossils exist, Fossils that are in between humans and apes exist.
Now imgoing to give my opinion of what god is (or was), and all the examples i can back this to. If god created earth it means god couldnt have come from earth if god is not from earth, that means god is extraterrestial, an alien. God may be omniscient, god may be immortal, infallable, allpowerfull, everything the bible says about him.
Ok now the bible was written by humans, not god that evident in the bible, but it was written from gods (ideas) I do not believe god was standing next to the prophets (jonn, mathews etc.) and telling EXACTLY what write. Which means its put into a humans perspective at the time, for example. A firey chariot... take a moment to imagine that, ( i took 2 hours i could only come up with what resembles a jet). A jet 2000 years ago would probably look like a chariot on fire. Moses talked to a burning bush, to prove I can do the samething, I tossed a walky talky under a bush lit it on fire and I talked through it, thus imitating god. God sent an angel (a being that came from the heavens (heavens reffering to sky).
Jumping out of a helicopter 3000 feet above ground level with a parachute can duplicate that, does that mean your an angel in todays terms thats ridiculous but 2000 years ago. When people could not propell them selves a 100 feet high, would look like a miracle to me. Now parting a sea seems impossible in todays terms, but in 100 years will it seem like an impossible feat or would it seem like a simple act of mechanics, lets see now 110 years ago the engine was just being created, just 110 years ago now we have jumbo jets easily the size of football field able to lift off the ground and seemingly glide through the sky. Only 104 years ago did the first selfpropelled aircraft was invented. We have ships the size of a floating city (disney's cruise ships) there huge, collosal, titanic. There wonders in themself. We have bombs that can wipe out entire cities, that was 60 years ago we now have bombs we can launch into space come down on the other side of the planet and completely OBLITERATE, destroy anhialate, EVERYthing in a 50 mile radius. We have space ships that travel 25,000 miles an hour. We have hundreds of satellite rotating around the earth, we have the power to walk from england to france WALK ( you would have been laughed at when you told someone that 150 years ago).
The united states has a missile defence system so accurate they can launch a missle full of lead at speeds faster then a hand rifle, and to hit a target heading toward us at speeds of twice that of sound, the size of a football. We harness the power of an explosion that could destroy a world (nuclear power). In netherlands they have a **** that stops there country from flooding it Literally stops the power of the sea from invading there lands when it floods. Now is splitting an ocean so far beyond us not realy.
Now take someone from 2000 years ago place them in the present how would they describe a disneys cruise ship, would they say it was a floating city, floating monster of steel and metal easily the size of a palace? A jumbo jet a flying monster, or a firey chariot, maybe even an angel who knows? How about a car, maybe a horseless chariot that guys faster then a flying arrow? Maybe a monster controlled and manipulated as easy as a horse? A gun, maybe a handheld tool with the power of lightning. How about a nuclear bomb explosion (nothing less then a wrath of god greater then any in the bible. Is turning water into wine realy that hard? What if the person seen for example a submarine surface from under the water probably to describe it as nothing less then a collosal sea monster.
Or a skyscraper how on earth could they put that image into words, a wonder of steel and metal extending 1000 feet or more into the heavens.
SO would it be so hard for a colony of alians maybe not 200 years into the future but, thousands of years, millions of years into the future came to earth 2000 years ago created a religion and left, or are still here but so far advance there undetectable. So powerfull they can stop the earths rotation send a messenger to start there religion (jesus) walking on water nothing more then a simple parlor trick they can traverse the entire galaxy in decades, or minutes, or seconds, maybe just a fraction of a second. Would splitting a sea for them seem like a miracle or just a simple physics experiment, would creating a religion and convincing many people to follow a beliefe system they themselves created? would it be hard when they can stop the earths rotation or actually create earth. Would making a couple pieces of fish and bread be impossible or just a simple act of manipulation? would curing blindness be a problem to aliens who could split a sea or would they just need a few seconds to fix it. What would it take to convinve a few dozen people back in the year 100 ad to create a book about the religion? Im sure if i took a person from that time and put them in a movie theatre showing starwars and tell them to create a book about it, it would end up being some impossible fairy tale. Hollywood can create a movie that depicts a being that created earth in 7 days, that showed a fictional character leading slaves from an evil tyrant, they can make a movie showing an earth split into to parts, or the earth stopping or SHOW dinosaurs, Of course wouldnt believe the movie the events actually happend like that but 2000 years ago I would believe it, because then if you seen it happen then it must of happend if you could see it then it existed. It would be so easy to convince someone about something with a movie if you could show it to them 2000 years ago.
SO could god be an alien, Id like to hear your opinions that you for reading this.
Also the reason why, I believe the concepts of heaven or hell were just made up to encourage people to follow the teachings of God, because there is no worse punishment then going to hell or no better reward then heaven. Why dont atheists kill people today afraid of going to hell probably not, but they are afraid of getting sent to jail or being executed, or even are just good people who find it awful to murder someone. Now if there were people who forced people to be christians and believe in jesus and god in united states we would all be devout christians. (because we would be dead or we would have to follow christianity.) Heaven or hell as i see is just something, to convince god exists and follow his teaching. If the bible was so believeable there would be no need for such things as reward to those who believe it and consequences for those who dont. Wouldnt a merciful god be willing to prove his existance to those who die and to allow everyone into heaven, as if you meet god face to face there would be no way to deny such a powerful god or diety?
human and ape fossils exists, just type in human evolution on google the sites are mostly all the same theory over and over with the same evidence, including the fossil of (lucy) a primate human mix.
Please please please leave a response after reading this.
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you lol'd but you read it im glad thank you. i dont know how some people will take my writing but why did you laugh what was funny about it how come it seems to fantastical? if we exists and plants and animals and fungi and protists and bacteria then why cant aliens exist?
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you lol'd but you read it im glad thank you. i dont know how some people will take my writing but why did you laugh what was funny about it how come it seems to fantastical? if we exists and plants and animals and fungi and protists and bacteria then why cant aliens exist?
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you lol'd but you read it im glad thank you. i dont know how some people will take my writing but why did you laugh what was funny about it how come it seems to fantastical? if we exists and plants and animals and fungi and protists and bacteria then why cant aliens exist?
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There's only one star in our solar system. You should probably read first and post later.
I meant universe, im sorry slipped up? is that the only reason? you laugh at the post because of a simple mistake is that what you find funny not that i believe god is an alien or that what i say makes sense?
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There's only one star in our solar system. You should probably read first and post later.
I meant universe, im sorry slipped up? is that the only reason? you laugh at the post because of a simple mistake is that what you find funny not that i believe god is an alien or that what i say makes sense?
No no, I laugh for poor grammar and various inaccuracies, my point is that it would be a good idea to check out the stickies on various forums for information first.
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I meant universe, im sorry slipped up? is that the only reason? you laugh at the post because of a simple mistake is that what you find funny not that i believe god is an alien or that what i say makes sense?
No no, I laugh for poor grammar and various inaccuracies, my point is that it would be a good idea to check out the stickies on various forums for information first.
Alright, I posted here because i was curious, not to have my grammar checked, thanks for reading my post but, if thats all you were checking for im sorry i made a few mistakes i realy wasnt paying that much attention. I let my thoughts be handled by clumsy fingers.
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No no, I laugh for poor grammar and various inaccuracies, my point is that it would be a good idea to check out the stickies on various forums for information first.
Alright, I posted here because i was curious, not to have my grammar checked, thanks for reading my post but, if thats all you were checking for im sorry i made a few mistakes i realy wasnt paying that much attention. I let my thoughts be handled by clumsy fingers.
You're missing my point. Your knowledge isn't strong enough and your argument too unstructured to be considered. I'm leaving this here.
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Well as i said thanks for reading the post, if ill try to be more careful, and not mess up so much. My knowledge is strong enough for me to believe in what i wrote and Ive never read the bible but i know enough about it to hold up a stable argument or discussion.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Look, if you haven't read it, you can't discuss it, wasting your time. Bye.
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