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River · 07-29-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by simian
Ah, I see, just like the Christians claiming an inerrant holy book, River is more than willing to make up things as he goes along. 1=2, what is an obvious reference to a man's reproductive fluids "really" referring to blood, and no comment on the creative counting (or how ever it will be written off) for "eblees"/"esteazah min eblees".

Perhaps soon the US will have the mindless drones of "inerrant" islam, just like it now has the mindless drones of "inerrant" christianity. Seems to me that both religions prohibit this - elevating and idol (the holy book) over the deity. But it is the easy way to practice the religion, requiring no thought, only mindless reciting that the holy book is inerrant.

Simian

River is a Mindless Drone. Please place him/her under the "Ignore" category.

River · 07-29-2003, 05:27 PM

-Simian

Perhaps you don't understand. But the Qur'an has always been considered by Muslims to be the Uncreated Word of G-d , a preserved Template from Heaven that Archangel Gabriel dictated to the Comforter, Prophet Muhammad. It is not considered Inspired. The Qur'an has both literal and allegorical verses.

The Bible however, is unanimously believed by Christians to be a compilation of Books that are Divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is not considered to be the Literal word of G-d ( except perhaps by some groups like say, the Baptists)

River · 07-29-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by john_v_h
And just to stir the pot ... some scholars believe that the Qur'an was originally written in Aramaic and later mistranslated into Arabic. If true, I imagine it would create new and different coincidences in the concordance.

No .Some scholars like Luxemberg believe the Classical Arabic of the Quran resemble Syro-Aramaic more so than modern arabic. There is no evidence to show that the Book was ever first written in Aramaic.

Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 05:55 PM

Dude, I swear...

Is anything written here pure wishful thinking on behalf of a Muslim? I believe so!

WOW Code 19.. dude get a life. I am sorry I am so confrontational but claiming that a word appearing x amount of times in a text claims it is perfect or God word is really laughable.

Ooooh, spooky... 19 times...

Get real.

All you do is pull up a few words and make all sorts of plain ridiculous claims. Honestly. Word Jesus appearing whatever number of times proves what again? And when you count words who says you are only counting proper nouns and not other versions of a name ( like Jesus' as well as Jesus ). Or plurals and singulars. And after all this mumbo jumbo counting of words what the heck does it prove? I wish someone would do a counting of words in the latest issue of "Big hooters" magazine so they can prove how perfect in its form it is.

Does Mohamad's 9 year old wife prove it is perfect too?

River · 07-29-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
Dude, I swear...

Is anything written here pure wishful thinking on behalf of a Muslim? I believe so!

WOW Code 19.. dude get a life. I am sorry I am so confrontational but claiming that a word appearing x amount of times in a text claims it is perfect or God word is really laughable.

Ooooh, spooky... 19 times...

Uhm....I dont want to embarrass you but the Code 19 argument has not been presented here...so you are basically talking from your arse.

River · 07-29-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
Dudez, I swear...

All you do is pull up a few words and make all sorts of plain ridiculous claims. Honestly. Word Jesus appearing whatever number of times proves what again? And when you count words who says you are only counting proper nouns and not other versions of a name ( like Jesus' as well as Jesus ). Or plurals and singulars. And after all this mumbo jumbo counting of words what the heck does it prove? I wish someone would do a counting of words in the latest issue of "Big hooters" magazine so they can prove how perfect in its form it is.

Does Mohamad's 9 year old wife prove it is perfect too?

Most of what you say is incomprehensible.

River · 07-29-2003, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
Dude, I swear...

versions of a name ( like Jesus' as well as Jesus ). Or plurals and singulars. And after all this mumbo jumbo counting of words what the heck does it prove?

Most would argue that the word Day as it appears in say " Judgement Day" or " Day and Night" would have different Quantitative and Qualitative significance.

River · 07-29-2003, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen

Dude

Duude!

Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 06:08 PM

Ummm...

What is incoprehensible?

Please refrain from non-answers -

I will repeat in a shortened form!

What does an x number of word appearing in Quran prove? Why?

Edit:

You have managed to post 3 "answers" and not say a thing... Can you do better?

River · 07-29-2003, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
Ummm...

What is incoprehensible?

Please refrain from non-answers -

I will repeat in a shortened form!

What does an x number of word appearing in Quran prove? Why?

Edit:

You have managed to post 3 "answers" and not say a thing... Can you do better?

Qur'anic statistics provide some proof for some.....for others it doesnt prove anything.....

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07-29-2003, 05:27 PM	#52
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	-Simian Perhaps you don't understand. But the Qur'an has always been considered by Muslims to be the Uncreated Word of G-d , a preserved Template from Heaven that Archangel Gabriel dictated to the Comforter, Prophet Muhammad. It is not considered Inspired. The Qur'an has both literal and allegorical verses. The Bible however, is unanimously believed by Christians to be a compilation of Books that are Divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is not considered to be the Literal word of G-d ( except perhaps by some groups like say, the Baptists)

07-29-2003, 05:55 PM	#54
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	Dude, I swear... Is anything written here pure wishful thinking on behalf of a Muslim? I believe so! WOW Code 19.. dude get a life. I am sorry I am so confrontational but claiming that a word appearing x amount of times in a text claims it is perfect or God word is really laughable. Ooooh, spooky... 19 times... Get real. All you do is pull up a few words and make all sorts of plain ridiculous claims. Honestly. Word Jesus appearing whatever number of times proves what again? And when you count words who says you are only counting proper nouns and not other versions of a name ( like Jesus' as well as Jesus ). Or plurals and singulars. And after all this mumbo jumbo counting of words what the heck does it prove? I wish someone would do a counting of words in the latest issue of "Big hooters" magazine so they can prove how perfect in its form it is. Does Mohamad's 9 year old wife prove it is perfect too?

07-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#59
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	Ummm... What is incoprehensible? Please refrain from non-answers - I will repeat in a shortened form! What does an x number of word appearing in Quran prove? Why? Edit: You have managed to post 3 "answers" and not say a thing... Can you do better?

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