NOGO

Ed:
Living matter converts dead matter into living matter.

Exactly, Ed we are getting somewhere.


Ed:
Without living matter or in the case of humans personal living matter, persons cannot come into existence.

Human personal living matter is no different than animal living matter. Persons cannot come into existance without EDUCATION. If you leave a human child to grow without education he will be more like an animal than a person.

Ed:
there is evidence that human life is more than a chemical construct.

That is new to me. Please provide this evidence.

NOGO

All this proves is that the people who wrote the Bible made themselves to be God's people. But Yahweh is a myth created by the people who wrote the Bible.

So my statement stands. You need to prove this before you call appeal to it as truth.


The Israelites were the self-proclaimed representatives of the God which THEY created.

If you want to use this as an arguement you need to prove it.

Even so where does it say that killing an Israelite is a more serious crime than killing someone else. This is strictly speaking, racist. The nazis would be proud of you, Ed.


Romans 3:10
as it is written,
"THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

How wrong can you be ...


Noah

Genesis 6:9
... Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

Genesis 7:1
Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time.


JOB

Job 2:3 The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause."


Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.

Luke 1:5-6 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.


All Christians

1 John 3
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ed

Theoretically they could have done such a thing because neanderthals and cromagnons are humans. But of course they didnt because they didnt see any evidence that they had evolved.

Ed

Actually some of the beginnings of fossilization have been empirically observed so this analogy fails.

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jtb: No now-living observer saw Mohammed Atta's men at the controls of the airliners that hit the WTC and the Pentagon. So it's an "unwarranted assumption" that they were deliberately crashed into those buildings?

No, they were videotaped boarding the plane, ie empirical evidence, so this analogy fails miserably.

Ed

To demonstrate the rationality of Christianity.

Ed

No, he had already attempted to refute my logical demonstration that the Christian God exists and was unable to do so.

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Secondly, the depiction of the Xian god does not exist - if you take it as being the omnimax god..

The only way you could know this is if you were omnimax.

winstonjen

By that argument, the only way you can show that the Xian god DOES exist is if you were omnimax. Are you claiming to be omnimax, Ed?

Ed

Okay, cite one reputable biblical scholar, even a non-christian, who agrees with Nogo's interpretation and provide a quote that confirms it.

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[31] Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. ng: This verse says that by admitting to be sons of those who murdered the prophets, they are testifying against themselves. Ed: Exactly, because they were planning to kill Jesus and persecute his disciples, who were God's new testament prophets. jtb: This claim is fiction, and contradicts the Biblical principle that children CAN be blamed (even punished) for the crimes of their parents. Earlier, you had no problem with this. Surely it's OK because Jesus isn't a government (it's only wrong for governments to do this, right?). And, in any case, the murderers of the prophets would have their sin coded into their "spiritual DNA" for their descendants to inherit, right? Occasionally, the absurdity of your position gets through to you and slaps you in the face, causing you to briefly wake up and connect with reality. In these brief lucid moments, you realize that the Bible is indefensible and abandon it to concoct an alternative story. Then the walls close in again, and you can't tell the difference between fact and fiction anymore. Fascinating..

No, see my earlier posts.

echidna

After much due consideration, I'd like to vote this one as being the "Thread Most Likely To Survive A Nuclear Holocaust".

Jack the Bodiless

Complete fossilization hasn't been observed, and fossilization of dinosaur bones has never been observed. Therefore, according to "Eddian logic", dinosaurs didn't exist. This refusal to extrapolate into the past is exactly what you do with the evidence for evolution happening in the present.
Nobody doubts that those men were passengers. But "Eddian logic" allows us to say that the assumption that they flew the planes is unwarranted, despite all the clues pointing in that direction. Simply waving away vast amounts of empirical evidence is something you do a LOT of.
You have never provided ANY logical demonstration that the Christian God exists. Therefore you are lying AGAIN.
I have already given you the names of several, and invited you to ASK THEM. Your ongoing refusal to do this speaks volumes.
I did. They support what I have said.