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Fred · 05-03-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by Jet Grind
Greetings all,

Do you think a reasoned belief in God is possible?

No I don' t.

Dune · 05-07-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Jet Grind
Aye, I agree. Looking back, I realize that I never really had that strong of a belief in God. Maybe the reason that there aren't many deists now of days is the fact that if you don't believe in God as a personal friend it is of no use to personally interact with him (or it). Eventually reason will pull through and you will realize that God is not necessary.

So the only reasonable way god can exist is if god is a personal friend in some way?
Also reason states that in order for something to exist it must be necessary?
Say a Diest type god does exist and created the universe, it wouldnt have to be an interactive god. God may still be necessary to run the universe (or perhaps it is no longer doing anything). Just because god is no longer doing things or interacting with people does not make god dissapear.... if that was true then 3/4ths of government workers would vanish... (if only...

)
Perhaps it would be no longer worthwhile to worship that god...but that doesnt invalidate its existance

Harumi · 05-08-2003, 06:07 PM

Well, God can exist. It just depends on how you define it.

My boyfriend for one, believes that God is just the forces that created the universe. Not dead, not alive, just is. He doesn't feel the need to worship such a being, and doesn't really care either.

I personally don't see the point to calling it a God then, but he insists on calling it a God so I let him.

05-08-2003, 07:36 PM

My boyfriend for one, believes that God is just the forces that created the universe. Not dead, not alive, just is. He doesn't feel the need to worship such a being, and doesn't really care either.

Sounds like someone I know ... except he is a Hindu cum Buddhist.

I just notice something reading the last paragraph. In most religions, it didn't show any reasons why a person needs to pray to God.

Abrahamic religions attend to say that it is as an act of remembering God because people who forgot God attend to do all sort of things but from what I had experienced, people who prays 5 times a day also not seems to do better either.

They also say it is to keep their convent with God ... can't say much about that since I don't understand the whole deal.

Hindus Gods such as Vishnu and Shiva stated (through the books of course) that praying is a mental exercise (and I agree).

Buddhism don't seems to push it's followers to pray and most of it's mental exercise seems to come from meditating.

Harumi · 05-09-2003, 06:34 AM

I thought that it was through prayer that you gain the ability to move mountains or something...

Or is it faith?

Well, whatever it is, I have yet to meet anyone who has managed to acheive it.

05-09-2003, 04:58 PM

by Harumi

I thought that it was through prayer that you gain the ability to move mountains or something...

Or is it faith?

Faith, NOT prayers which brings your abilities (but whether you can move mountains is a different story). Prayers do nothing if you don't have faith.

Well, whatever it is, I have yet to meet anyone who has managed to acheive it.

What? Move mountains?

Octokun · 05-10-2003, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jet Grind
Do you think a reasoned belief in God is possible?

No, I don't...

Jet Grind · 05-10-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Dune
So the only reasonable way god can exist is if god is a personal friend in some way?
Also reason states that in order for something to exist it must be necessary?
Say a Diest type god does exist and created the universe, it wouldnt have to be an interactive god. God may still be necessary to run the universe (or perhaps it is no longer doing anything). Just because god is no longer doing things or interacting with people does not make god dissapear.... if that was true then 3/4ths of government workers would vanish... (if only... )
Perhaps it would be no longer worthwhile to worship that god...but that doesnt invalidate its existance

I think you misunderstood me. I said that the reason that there weren't many deists around is because the idea of a non-interventional God is not as comforting as a personal one. I didn't say a God that take a laissez-faire approach to the universe was impossible (I do not however think that there is sufficient evidence for such a thing, like any good atheist).

Harumi · 05-17-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Seraphim
by Harumi

Well, whatever it is, I have yet to meet anyone who has managed to acheive it.

What? Move mountains?

Yeah, move mountains, as in, pick up a mountain and move it, not as in explosives or anything.

And now that I recall the passage, it goes something like "faith the size of a mustard seed"...so you were right. I'm forgetting.

05-19-2003, 05:00 PM

by Harumi

Yeah, move mountains, as in, pick up a mountain and move it, not as in explosives or anything.

Hmmm .... Interesting ...
What exactly does he wants to accomplish by such a feat?

And now that I recall the passage, it goes something like "faith the size of a mustard seed"...so you were right. I'm forgetting.

Never heard of such saying before ...

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05-08-2003, 06:07 PM	#13
Harumi Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 3,184	Well, God can exist. It just depends on how you define it. My boyfriend for one, believes that God is just the forces that created the universe. Not dead, not alive, just is. He doesn't feel the need to worship such a being, and doesn't really care either. I personally don't see the point to calling it a God then, but he insists on calling it a God so I let him.

05-08-2003, 07:36 PM	#14
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	My boyfriend for one, believes that God is just the forces that created the universe. Not dead, not alive, just is. He doesn't feel the need to worship such a being, and doesn't really care either. Sounds like someone I know ... except he is a Hindu cum Buddhist. I just notice something reading the last paragraph. In most religions, it didn't show any reasons why a person needs to pray to God. Abrahamic religions attend to say that it is as an act of remembering God because people who forgot God attend to do all sort of things but from what I had experienced, people who prays 5 times a day also not seems to do better either. They also say it is to keep their convent with God ... can't say much about that since I don't understand the whole deal. Hindus Gods such as Vishnu and Shiva stated (through the books of course) that praying is a mental exercise (and I agree). Buddhism don't seems to push it's followers to pray and most of it's mental exercise seems to come from meditating.

05-09-2003, 06:34 AM	#15
Harumi Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 3,184	I thought that it was through prayer that you gain the ability to move mountains or something... Or is it faith? Well, whatever it is, I have yet to meet anyone who has managed to acheive it.

05-09-2003, 04:58 PM	#16
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	by Harumi I thought that it was through prayer that you gain the ability to move mountains or something... Or is it faith? Faith, NOT prayers which brings your abilities (but whether you can move mountains is a different story). Prayers do nothing if you don't have faith. Well, whatever it is, I have yet to meet anyone who has managed to acheive it. What? Move mountains?

05-19-2003, 05:00 PM	#20
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	by Harumi Yeah, move mountains, as in, pick up a mountain and move it, not as in explosives or anything. Hmmm .... Interesting ... What exactly does he wants to accomplish by such a feat? And now that I recall the passage, it goes something like "faith the size of a mustard seed"...so you were right. I'm forgetting. Never heard of such saying before ...

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