Cosimo

Mr. Sammi,

I don't understand how you can answer "I have a tendency to use terms seemingly unknown" when explicitly asked to provide more details on the "PIKi model". Eager to learn more about this model, I did a number of Google searches on "PIKi" and expanded variations. I sadly came up empty handed.

Not to be deterred, I did a Google on "Sammi Na Boodie()" and got two returns. One of them was:

"To all brothers and sisters of Palestine. May the great GOD smile on your sinless lives and accompany you in the wisdom of the GREAT SPIRIT to reclaim what is rightfully Palestinian. Peace my brothers let the world realise the MIND of the JEW revealed in the wisdom of GOD's love."
--Sammi Na Boodie()

Now, in regards to the question of "Human Error": Could you either describe the PIKi model, or at least apply it to the statement above, and then map the causal links between input and output. I also wish to discuss the process of applying such a model to American schools, "so the possibilities of problematic Americans in society can be lessened."

Thanks!

Mr. Sammi

Cosimo,

I will try to explain the model in greater detail. It will take a few posts to accomplish this task since I have a personal penchant to use relatively small posts to avoid most waning of interests while others are involved in their perception of the presentation.

Firstly, PIKi is only an acronym to represent the sequence of events from Perception To Intelligence which passes through the Information and Knowledge stages, between the Perception and Intelligence stages- hence PIKi (mabye the I should be large).

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This model is constrained to Humans.

Perception has a final resting place as the representation of existence within the Mind. At this moment Mind, Brain and Head can be interchanged, later distinctions can be made between them.

The source of Perceptions can be outside the Mind or inside the Brain. Perception can be said to be the transfer of any representable elements of existence TO an internal representation which is supposed to represent the initial representable element.

Information is a lucid form of the perception which as earlier stated is now extant within the head as a representation. Thus a lucid form of any representation in the mind IS Information. Lucidity entails availability for further processing OR transfer.

Knowledge is any clear derivitive of Information independent of its value or its sense or its meaning. This is a rather abstract use of the term knowledge as apart from the current known philosophical connotation of knowledge. This is similar to saying : out of information one was able to wrest more information. What was wrested out of the initial information IS knowledge pertaining to that information.

Intelligence will be understood better in another post.

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There is a lot here, let us see if any of what I tried to state is adaquately clear.

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Cosimo

OK

I have 3 of 4 defined terms now. What then is the model? What then "fails" to result in a "legal error"?

Ierrellus

Mr. Sammi,

If you need an example of communication difficulty, my choice is that perception has a final resting place. Is it dead?

What does perception, mind, body, etc. have to do with legal error as compared with human error? PIKI what? Why is this model not locateable?

"Coleridge explains metaphysics to the nation.
I wish he would explain his explanation."--Byron.

Ierrellus
PAX

Laurentius

...the idea of the PIKi model joined by the relation between human and legal errors already look like an attempt to coin an updated version of Plato's conception that wrongdoing stems from ignorance.

AVE

ohwilleke

I'm familiar with the PIKI model, but it is basically a common sense business management tool.

The purpose of the model is to prioritize solutions to a business process that doesn't work, although the version I learned was slightly different

First:

Do the workers have the information they need to do the job? (Preception). A great many problems can be solved by posting information where it is needed. If the cat keeps getting out of the bag, sometimes all you need to do is lable the bag "Cat Inside, Do Not Open." Information is usually the cheapest possible solution. It is usually cheaper to provide people with information when they need it than it is to train them.

Second:

Do the workers have an incentive to do the job (information)? If a worker doesn't gain anything from doing work, he won't do it. Sometimes this means paying attention to what the worker is doing, so he will be fired if he doesn't do it. Sometimes it can mean a fancy system of bonuses. Many business processes have perverse incentives that produce bad results -- favoring quantity over quality, for example.

Third:

Do the workers have the education (knowledge) to do the job? Information is cheaper than education and incentives are easier to bring about, but sometimes information just won't hack it. You can't diagnose complex medical conditions with a book all the time, sometimes you have to train a doctor. Some systems are just too complicated to operate without formal training.

Fourth:

Are the worker's able to do the job? (Intelligence). The point of the model is to save this one for last. Usually, information, incentives and education are sufficient so solve the problem. But, sometimes a worker is just too dumb to do the job and no amount of information, incentives or education will fix it. You can't make a violinist out of a gentically tone deaf man.

What the OT apparently posits is that people break the law because something in this problem solving model is wrong. The person doesn't know that what he did was wrong (I didn't see the stop sign), didn't have an incentive not to break the law (nobody ever gets caught speeding, I didn't think I would either), didn't have the education to understand complex ideas of right or wrong (I was raised in a commune where we were told that if it felt good you should do it), or was simply too dumb to know the difference between right and wrong (I have the brain of a three year old). [I personally think this model is flawed and that there are other reasons for breaking the law, but anyway].

If by LEGAL ERROR, the OP means breaking the law, then by HUMAN ERROR it must mean doing something that makes you no longer human, not necessarily by breaking the law. It would seem to mean that this would therefore consist of doing legal things that will kill you, like smoking, eating fatty foods, refusing to accept medical treatment, getting older, skydiving, and the like.

Laurentius

I think the distinction above is pretty obvious without having to take any PIKi model into consideration.

Feather

Looks to me like this is a discussion more fit for the "Morals" board, perhaps.

My reasoning is this: Mr. Sammi uses many convoluted and inefficient ways of describing "breaking the law." He terms this "committing a legal error." Therefore I deduce that what Mr. Sammi means by "committing a human error" is "breaking the natural laws which govern humans."

Now, it is not possible to violate natural laws. If somebody violates a natural law, then the specific natural law in that case is wrong by definition. Natural Laws are only "laws" so long as observation supports their existence. This is by definition. The reason they're given the "force" of the term "law" is because the descriptions of nature they make have been observed to be true without fail for literally hundreds of thousands (and more) of observations under nearly as many different conditions (e.g. The Law of Conservation of Energy).

Therefore, it being that Mr. Sammi seems intelligent, if a bit needlessly loquacious, I believe Mr. Sammi means a "break in moral law" by "HUMAN ERROR."

He's searching for a relatively objective, empirical model of morality, in other words.

As far as what his "PIKI" model has to do with anything, I have no clue. That part seems to me to be a bit like the philosopher's equivalent to bad Engineering practices (i.e. stick an acronym on the idea and it suddenly becomes meaningful/important when in fact it's just a bunch of gibberish designed specifically to make the artificer seem intelligent). Of course, I have no clue what the hell the model entails, and being only an amateur logician I have never encountered it in readings on logic. So I could just be blowing smoke out my butt regarding it.

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Mr. Sammi

It does look as if I am trying to give life a new wrapping. What I believe I am achieving is a closer relation between how I think mass is manipulated in the mind AND the relational elements we have constructed to conduct our lives.

You will find a few clarifications in relation to contempory philosophy. Here is more.

A perception is a representation any representation. Information is lucid representations. Knowledge is specifics related to the Information. Intelligence is the fetching tools.

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Intelligence allows Information to be represented in relation to the limit with which methods can be found to change Information. Intelligence is the active part of the Information Process. This is because it is only through Intelligence can changes be made to the Information to get the Knowledge out of it. A specific form of Intelligence will yield Knowledge but one has to remember the Knowledge can inherit the properties of its Intelligence and at some times it is imperative to mention the properties of its Intelligence else the Knowledge when presented in Information Form has no meaning and has no lucid connection to existence. It is important that Intelligence works properly, it is the important things which Intelligence performs that makes it important for Intelligence to work properly.

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In terms of time, rates and instants, and also in terms of simultaneity which must be considered in physical systems and are to be represented in metaphysical terms, it seems plausable that the model exists all parts simultaneously. Perceptions which are the representations of an Experience often has inherited qualities of Knowledge and Intelligence. The final qualifier of the perception or the driving force behind the perception gives the perception its perceptive qualities. This starts with the basic perceptions brought into the being by light and sound, or absorbed by the being through taste, or qualified by touch or by smell, then enhanced by Human Earth Intelligence so the qualification of the perception has many additional features. What we construct as Knowledge, is a language in the native tongue of the brain. What we construct as Communication Language and define our Information through these various languages is spoken by the native tongue of Information in the brain. What can we say of the natural Intelligence of the Human Being?

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Some of the memory configuration, which is the history of the subject, in this case the human, is active, while other memories are passive. Active memories are the ones the human can access and change. Passive memories are the ones without direct human control. The mind should consist solely of active memories. The mind has a thought processor which changes information into knowledge and can initiate the process of independent verification in order to strengthen the validity of a memory. The active memories which consist of perceptions, information, knowledge, intelligence, creativity, would exist in many parts.

A PIKi model (perception,information,knowledge,Intelligence) should be in existence to follow the rules of civil society. A PIKi model will be in existence to follow the flow of experience. We can hardly run away from this PIKi model because it is part of the provision of consciousness. Some try to alter the way in which the experience is naturally modelled by defying life in an absurd manner. We see two models which are natural to every society on Earth. To live with yourself. To live amoung others. The validity of the PIKi model which follows the rules of society will determine how the human succeeds or fails in society. The 3 important things here are, success, failure, and "the hows". Success and failure belong to the results and the final effects, whereas the hows lie in the causes and intermediate causes. The PIKi model assists the human through knowledge with determining the reality of the cause in relation to the society in which the human lives. Should I do the next action? Should I take this step? It seems true to me that a human should begin interacting with society with a working PIKi model of the rules of said society in order to properly make important decisions on whether to support society or to help destroy it.

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Mr. Sammi

I am thinking of human errors to be more along the line of making the wrong decisions, needlessly hurting people, thinking up bad ideas, failing memories, bad perceptions, incomplete knowledge, low intelligence, inability to parse the information, unawareness of personal limitations, overbloated expectations, to give a few examples.

Sammi Na Boodie ()