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Old 09-07-2002, 07:58 AM   #11
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<strong>That's an interesting hypothesis, HW. However, he is behaving in a very similar manner over in EOG. i.e., making unsupported assertions, then claiming that any objections to his position are "unsubstantiated claims", and ignoring requests to furnish his own references.. He is also follwing the same pattern of not answering the more challenging points against him.

My bet is he's never going to answer this thread.

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: wadew ]</strong>
If she/he uses IIDB to write a genetics paper, why not two or three other papers?

That tactic might work for lit, history or philosophy . If we checked their computer usage pattern, would we find all papers being done the same way ? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Old 09-07-2002, 08:04 AM   #12
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Hahaha, Vanderzyden is pulling the same evasion as <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=50&http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000579&p=t=000 579&p=" target="_blank">here, where he tried his best to find insults directed at him, and ignored all of the issues raised.</a>

Tsk, tsk.
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Old 09-07-2002, 08:22 AM   #13
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<strong>Hahaha...

Tsk, tsk.</strong>
Here, as in that thread, you continue to play games.

You should stop and think that what you perceive as "evasion" is perhaps a practical desire to avoid dealing directly with some people. The second-to-last post on <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000579&p=3" target="_blank">page 3</a> should help you in deciding which is more likely to be the cas.

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Old 09-07-2002, 08:28 AM   #14
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The real question, Vanderzyden, is why should anyone take you seriously? And as Bible Humper just said, this is the same ploy you are using on EOG, and which Jobar warned you about. Until you stop ignoring requests for references and sources, and stop evading hard questions with "you're wasting my time with your attitude" I doubt if many are going to want to waste their time with you. And this constant answering a question with a question is getting annoying... do you really think nobody sees through it?

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Old 09-07-2002, 11:20 AM   #15
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Oh, I see you have started another thread. But then, I find yet more accusations of lying.

So, which is it?

-- You are intent on showing me to be a liar, in order that you may discredit me.

-- You are genuinely interested in my motive.

-- Something else

Whatever your answer, I'd like you to convince me that further response to the topic of this thread is a good investment of time.

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Vanderzyden, it was thought that you had buggered off. The question is still open.

Why are you doing this?

If you want to change my mind as to your intent and motives here is your chance.

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Old 09-07-2002, 11:36 AM   #16
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Whatever your answer, I'd like you to convince me that further response to the topic of this thread is a good investment of time.

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You say "further response". That implies that you have made some attempt at responding to the many requests for references and explanations. Where and when have you done so? All you have to do to stop this is give a straight answer!
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If you want to change my mind as to your intent and motives here is your chance.

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I have no particular interest in changing your mind. You make it seem as though your opinion was some benchmark to which I must attain.

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Oh well, it only supports my claim that most Christians are deceptive. Either they lie to themselves or they lie to others or both. Vanderzeyden lies about his quest for "truth" and he lies about his open mind...

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Why don't you first explain why you're calling me a liar? When I compare this accusation with your original question, I am tempted to draw the conclusion that you have particular negative motives. Also, your stereotypes are similar to those of a racist.

You may wonder why I belabor this point. My experience is that efficient, productive dialogue depends upon establishing a working protocol. So far you've given me no indication why I should pursue one further with you. Look around: there are others here who are much more pleasant and engaging.

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Vanderzyden;

You will find the reasons many here are beginning to doubt your intellectual integrity <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001313" target="_blank">here.</a>

There are is also a thread <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001366" target="_blank">here</a> that I am particularly anxious to see you answer.

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Why don't you first explain why you're calling me a liar? When I compare this accusation with your original question, I am tempted to draw the conclusion that you have particular negative motives. Also, your stereotypes are similar to those of a racist.

You may wonder why I belabor this point. My experience is that efficient, productive dialogue depends upon establishing a working protocol. So far you've given me no indication why I should pursue one further with you. Look around: there are others here who are much more pleasant and engaging.

Vanderzyden</strong>
OK Vanderzyden, fair enough. I am calling you a liar because I suspect your motives. You claim to be seeking the truth and you claim to be open-minded but from your posts I suspect that is not the case. But for my purposes that is neither here nor there. I truly am interested in why you are pursuing this line in the first place. For my own selfish curiosity I would like to know what you are trying to accomplish and why you are going about it the way you are. I really have no interest in burning you at the intellectual stake. To put it short and sweet, it is my hope I will learn something new.

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Old 09-08-2002, 10:51 AM   #20
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<strong>Oh well, it only supports my claim that most Christians are deceptive. Either they lie to themselves or they lie to others or both.</strong>
Starboy,

Please show more respect for people of faith in this forum. Thank you.

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