FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

View Poll Results: adultery?
wrong 35 64.81%
right 2 3.70%
neither 17 31.48%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-23-2003, 10:54 AM   #11
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 6,004
Default

Adultery to me = cheating & lying. Cheating and lying are wrong, therefore adultery is wrong.
BioBeing is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 10:57 AM   #12
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: god's judge (pariah)
Posts: 1,281
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by BioBeing
Adultery to me = cheating & lying. Cheating and lying are wrong, therefore adultery is wrong.
Exactly. Succinct.
keyser_soze is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 11:02 AM   #13
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: http://10.0.0.2/
Posts: 6,623
Default

"Right"
"Wrong"
Hmph. Too simplistic. Too Xian.
"Serving the interests of a relationship (or not)" is more like it.
In which case the answer is obviously NOT.
Oxymoron is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 11:59 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: burbank
Posts: 758
Default

this definition will suffice:

Main Entry: adul·tery
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare
Date: 15th century
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery

& oxy, sorry if it is too simplistic. i failed to ask for clarification when taking my marriage vows
fatherphil is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 12:51 PM   #15
Obsessed Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Not Mayaned
Posts: 96,752
Default

In general I will agree that it's wrong (with the provision that open marriages are not adultry). However, I don't think it's always wrong. What about the case where the marriage has become more a caretaker role. The disabled person may not give permission--may not even be able to give permission. I would not regard adultry in such a situation to be wrong.

In a more general case, I think sexual fidelity is pretty much the other side of the coin of sexual access--if the sex is no longer there (and not merely for temporary reasons) then I don't see that there is any obligation of fidelity, either.
Loren Pechtel is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 01:08 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: burbank
Posts: 758
Default

what if its not there for 27 days out of the month? or 6 days of the week? what are the limits and demands? how about during pregnancy or overseas assignment?

also i think i gave you guys a cop out with the third option. really either it is wrong or it is right. trying to avoid situational ethics. if you would maintain that there are instances where the activity is acceptable then it would be by definition "right" period.
fatherphil is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 02:19 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Peoria, IL
Posts: 854
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by fatherphil
also i think i gave you guys a cop out with the third option. really either it is wrong or it is right. trying to avoid situational ethics. if you would maintain that there are instances where the activity is acceptable then it would be by definition "right" period.
I don't think so. It would be "right" if it was somehow always appropriate and "wrong" if it's some how always inappropriate. For the acceptability to depend on the situation (e.g. whether there's any deception or other breach of trust involved) means it is potentially either: not necessarily, catagorically one or the other. That sounds like neither to me.
Psycho Economist is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 03:40 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Madrid / I am a: Lifelong atheist
Posts: 885
Default

The practice of adultery is justifiable; the concept of adultery is unjustified.

I think fatherphil's definition is right. "Adultery" means sex by a married person with someone other than one's spouse. Adultery is not equivalent to infidelity or deceit. Polyamorous and open marriages are adulterous by definition, even if there is no infidelity or deceit. (Adultery is a religious concept. Because adultery is supposed to be a crime against god, having your spouse's consent is not sufficient to authorize adultery, in the eyes of the church.)

The practice of adultery for some people makes a lot of sense. There are plenty of circumstances where sex on the side is preferable to the alternatives for both spouses.

Adultery is a stupid concept and should be eliminated. Lifelong marital monogamy may have made sense in a bygone era when the average life expectancy was pushing 40. Nowadays, when people can expect to live several decades after marriage, the"ideal" of lifelong sexual allegiance becomes all the more unworkable. Moreover, the concept of adultery is an affront to modern values, which holds that the individuals should decide the rules for their relationship, not the church and not the state.

I answered RIGHT on the poll, but on second thought I probably should have answered NEITHER.
beastmaster is offline  
Old 04-23-2003, 03:56 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: On the edge
Posts: 509
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by fatherphil
this definition will suffice:

Main Entry: adul·tery
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin adulterium, from adulter adulterer, back-formation from adulterare
Date: 15th century
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery

& oxy, sorry if it is too simplistic. i failed to ask for clarification when taking my marriage vows
Oops, then my vote should be moved to "neither". My wedding vows didn't include anything about whether my wife and I were allowed to agree to invite others into our bed if we want. I would vote "right", but then that would really depend on whether the adultery was okayed by the spouse or not.
tribalbeeyatch is offline  
Old 04-24-2003, 04:29 AM   #20
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hayward, CA, USA
Posts: 1,675
Thumbs down

Defnitely a reglious definition of the term. "Adultery" is a sin. "Infidelity" on the other hand, involves deceit and betrayal of the terms of a given relationship whatever those terms might be.

Adultery is a stupid idea. Infidelity is wrong.
Jackalope is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:40 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.