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Ion · 05-31-2002, 04:47 PM

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Your turn AJ113:
"...tangible evidence..." that God described in the Bible, exists; I don't see any.

Do you?

05-31-2002, 04:49 PM

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No tangible evidence for what? Do you disagree with the assertion that the existence of something is not dependent upon how one feels?

No tangible evidence for God. I agree with the assertion.

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Nope, the entire argument of the thread, if you are going by the opening post, is that something exists or does not exist regardless of how you feel.

Thats what I meant to say, thanks. It should be "The entire point of this thread is that something does or does not exist regardless of how you feel", just insert that into my post, as I left out "or does not" after "exists".

AJ113 · 05-31-2002, 04:51 PM

Liquidrage:

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There are many evils commited by God in the Bible. Far too many for me to care to list.

Please try to remain with the topic. If you could raise your interest just a little bit more to enable you to list these evils, you could start off a new thread in BC&A.

If, however you still "do not care" to list them, I suggest that you retract the statement.

05-31-2002, 04:55 PM

Gemma, the point was not that you shouldn't worship a God whether or not he exists. Im saying you shouldnt take anything on blind faith even if it turns out to be true in the end, Im sorry if that was clear.

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Typhon,
After reading your "flattering" discription of God and the Catholic Church, I am sure we'd be relieved if you did not join.

Finally, we agree on something, albeit for different reasons.

Tsk tsk, Jesus would accept tax collectors and denounce those who claim to be holy even though they are hipocrites, you can't even accept a person who thinks differently.

AJ113 · 05-31-2002, 05:05 PM

himynameisPwn:

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....I agree with the assertion.

Then perhaps you would like to retract or rephrase this:

himynameisPwn:

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Gemma, that contradicts your first post. God either exists or doesn't, it has nothing to do with why you believe in him. The entire argument of the thread is that something exists regardless about how you *feel*. You have provided no tangable evidence thus you cannot prove your claim. An unproven claim is as good as non-existant, because, just as I dont believe "dfhghjdfsjkdjkghf" exists, doesn't mean it can't but rather theres no reason to believe why it could or should exist. now, it may turn out "dfhghjdfsjkdjkghf" does in fact exist. I would be mistaken, but not wrong. If theres no reason to believe "dfhghjdfsjkdjkghf" exists, then you really shouldn't base your life on "dfhghjdfsjkdjkghf", whether "dfhghjdfsjkdjkghf" exists or not.

As it appears to make the accusation that the first post declares the existence of God to be true.

Gemma Therese · 05-31-2002, 05:21 PM

Tsk tsk, Jesus would accept tax collectors and denounce those who claim to be holy even though they are hipocrites, you can't even accept a person who thinks differently.

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Jesus would accept tax collectors, but he did not condone their corruption. He told the woman who would have been stoned for prostitution, "Go, and sin no more."

AJ113 · 05-31-2002, 05:21 PM

himynameisPwn:

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Im saying you shouldnt take anything on blind faith even if it turns out to be true in the end

But since Gemma has listed a boatload of reasons why she chose to be a Catholic, there is no blind faith involved on her part, is there?

himynameisPwn:

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Tsk tsk, Jesus would accept tax collectors and denounce those who claim to be holy even though they are hipocrites, you can't even accept a person who thinks differently.

.....and you would do well to think twice before taking on the role of pastor. It does not suit you.

Ion:

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Your turn AJ113:
"...tangible evidence..." that God described in the Bible, exists; I don't see any.
Do you?

The topic of discussion at this time was the first post. In the first post it is asserted that one's feelings do not have a bearing on the existence or non-existence of something. Why do you want tangible evidence that God described in the bible exists in order to prove or disprove this assertion?

05-31-2002, 05:24 PM

Read it through carefully. Im saying if theres no evidence, dont believe in something on blind faith. If it does turn out to be true, good for you, but its equivalent of believe in big foot, no basis on reality and if big foot turns out to be true, its like predicting a coin toss.

If I believe that "pink dragons" exist, and Einstein doesn't, but it turns out true, that doesn't mean Im smarter or any more rational that Einstein as a three O being has no basis in rationality, sicne rationality can only be based on what we know to be true. That alludes to why I need tangible evidence. I cannot say 100% beyond a doubt a three O being doesnt exist, as thats impossible, hence Im a weak atheist, but I cannot believe in something not based on reality. Do you understand now?

05-31-2002, 05:30 PM

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But since Gemma has listed a boatload of reasons why she chose to be a Catholic, there is no blind faith involved on her part, is there?

Yes, and all of her reasons are unsatisfactory to me. All are based on blind assertions, the lives of others who are just as open to error in belief of God, her personal experience with the death of a cousin which proves nothing, etc. I want tangible evidence.

I never claimed to be a pastor. I hate it when people say things like "Im praying for you, join us you fool heathen", then "We don't want you anyway." Good job on the reverse psychology by the way. Im almost convinced.

05-31-2002, 05:35 PM

I should have address all these points in one post instead of three in a row, but I miss this one.

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The topic of discussion at this time was the first post. In the first post it is asserted that one's feelings do not have a bearing on the existence or non-existence of something. Why do you want tangible evidence that God described in the bible exists in order to prove or disprove this assertion?

Tangible evidence is the basis of science. If God exists, somewhere there should be evidence of his existance? Now, I am making a huge assumption there, but to disagree with that one, you'd have to admit you take God on blind faith right? So, I come to the conclusion that either: god doesn't exist or he is hiding it or im blind.

God doesnt exist being the simplest one, God hiding his existance meaning you are only believe in him on blind faith, and Im blind meaning in my atempt to seek the truth I've missed all tangible evidence for him.

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05-31-2002, 05:21 PM	#236
Gemma Therese Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: new york Posts: 608	Tsk tsk, Jesus would accept tax collectors and denounce those who claim to be holy even though they are hipocrites, you can't even accept a person who thinks differently. [/QB][/QUOTE] Jesus would accept tax collectors, but he did not condone their corruption. He told the woman who would have been stoned for prostitution, "Go, and sin no more."

05-31-2002, 05:24 PM	#238
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Read it through carefully. Im saying if theres no evidence, dont believe in something on blind faith. If it does turn out to be true, good for you, but its equivalent of believe in big foot, no basis on reality and if big foot turns out to be true, its like predicting a coin toss. If I believe that "pink dragons" exist, and Einstein doesn't, but it turns out true, that doesn't mean Im smarter or any more rational that Einstein as a three O being has no basis in rationality, sicne rationality can only be based on what we know to be true. That alludes to why I need tangible evidence. I cannot say 100% beyond a doubt a three O being doesnt exist, as thats impossible, hence Im a weak atheist, but I cannot believe in something not based on reality. Do you understand now?

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