FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB General Discussion Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 08:25 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-22-2003, 07:20 PM   #21
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: WV
Posts: 4,369
Default

(sigh) For anybody who doesn't mind reading. The best book on the media is Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman. It does a good job of explaining what the news bias is and how it happens in a convincing and extremely hard to refute manner.

Other books include Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti.
The Myth of the Liberal Media by Edward Herman.
What Liberal Media? by Eric Alterman.

I strongly suggest Manufacturing Consent to anyone who doesn't want to be politically ignorant. I also very much like Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy." Palast gives a lot of examples of exactly why his investigative reporting of American business / politics rarely gets aired outside of Britain. (Also the Palast book isn't so dry as Manufacturing Consent.)

If you want something that appeals to emotion, gives a few anecdotes and lacks substance go to any chain book store and read about the liberal bias of the media.

Daniel Consolatore

Quote:
There will be little coverage, and I think it's attributable to the fact that the networks are driven by their audience. It is, unfortunately, a largely hawkish and nationalistic audience, and the networks won't want to try to sell them disturbing images that will make them turn off the TV.
It's more complicated.
For instance, what is an easier news product to produce? Top of the line investigative journalism that exposes the corruption of the extremely powerful, or journalism that simply relays whatever spin the extremely powerful give out?

Pretty easy answer. If you go for the real investigative journalism, not only is it more work, you can be exposed to "flak." Flak can range from advertisers no longer supporting you to actually being sued, (by people who can afford to rack up the court costs.)

Also the entire American mass media is now owned by 5 corporations. These corporations have extensive ownings outside of the media also. Now what kind of bias do you think the owners of these media outlets might have economically? The owners at least love capitalism. They love deregulation. They love tax cuts for the rich etc.

Next question: How can they force their employees to have this same bias without it being a conspiracy?
Here's an example of how it isn't a conspiracy:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...21&ItemID=3118
OK, I'm not a genius writer. I'm going to leave it at that for now.

(The z net media section has quite a bit more on the subject for anyone here to do something other than expel hot air.)
emphryio is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:17 PM   #22
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Superbad


Al Jazeera is supposedly showing casualties from the bombings, but no other news station is reporting it, yet I keep seeing footage of the villages Saddam gassed.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L22504463
That is utter bullshit. Mainstream media has been showing Al Jazeera's footage all f'ing day.

They showed the Iraqi Info Minister's whole damned propaganda spew fest.

They have shown protests all over the country and the world.

There is no satisfying the opposition to what will be the liberation of Iraq and to the eliminating of a tyrannical regime.
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:22 PM   #23
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Well fortified mountain bunker
Posts: 3,567
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Kamchatka
That is utter bullshit. Mainstream media has been showing Al Jazeera's footage all f'ing day.
Did they show the kid with half his head blown off on tv? I haven't seen it.
Mr. Superbad is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:23 PM   #24
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nataraja
I would like to see the opposition given a voice, yes.
Try opening your eyes and ears. The opposition has a voice in America. Try finding that voice in Iraq, North Korea, or for that matter Russia.
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:31 PM   #25
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nataraja
The Antiwar Movement has been effectively silenced in the media, dispite its widespread following, a following that has grown very quickly in spite of having no voice through the media. Face it, this war would be completely unsupported without Rush Limbough and White House rhetoric/propaganda. Heck, if not for (piss-poor) White House Propaganda, I doubt anybody would care much either way, but that's beside the point. I want the fair and balanced news FN has promised, and completely failed to deliver.
Yes, what we need is a station that will tell the truth, "It's all our fault! Not just Iraq, but North Korea. In fact we are the root of all evil in the world and George Bush is the cultivator of that root. If we only had Al in office, it would all be okay."
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:37 PM   #26
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nataraja
err...Dude, have you been watching the news at all?
It is quite obvious that you haven't been watching the news, consciously. You are in some kind of dream world where you're couch is your mighty steed and George Bush is your evil foe.

Wake up and see the windmill, before it's too late.
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:41 PM   #27
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,294
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Superbad
I'm getting the feeling that the media is severly whitewashing the war.
As a member of the mainstream media, I think I can give a little bit of insight as to the nature of the war coverage.


At the beginning of our war coverage, our boss made an interesting statement. He said "remember, we aren't much more than pawns in this game."

Keep that in mind when you watch the news.

At this stage of the conflict, almost ALL of the information related to the conflict is controlled by the military. The media are only able to report what the military wants them to report. The military will only release information that serves their purposes, and every bit of that information must be viewed in context.


That is true on BOTH sides, btw.
cjack is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:51 PM   #28
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Superbad
Did they show the kid with half his head blown off on tv? I haven't seen it.
Actually, no I have not seen that snapshot. That does not change the fact that mainstream media ran Saddam's Spew minister's speech informing the world that there were (allegedly) 207 injured civilians.

Should I expect the media to show a photo of every dead person resulting from this conflict?

I also have not seen the American soldiers that have died in the conflict.

And?
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:54 PM   #29
Regular Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Earth
Posts: 157
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by cjack
As a member of the mainstream media, I think I can give a little bit of insight as to the nature of the war coverage.


At the beginning of our war coverage, our boss made an interesting statement. He said "remember, we aren't much more than pawns in this game."

Keep that in mind when you watch the news.

At this stage of the conflict, almost ALL of the information related to the conflict is controlled by the military. The media are only able to report what the military wants them to report. The military will only release information that serves their purposes, and every bit of that information must be viewed in context.


That is true on BOTH sides, btw.
Thank you for that "insight."
Kamchatka is offline  
Old 03-22-2003, 10:58 PM   #30
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,294
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Kamchatka
Thank you for that "insight."
"You're welcome."
cjack is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:47 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.