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Wyz_sub10 · 12-10-2002, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bible Humper:
<strong>Hi Ku Bop.
I'm still watching this thread, waiting for your response. Could I get an ETA?</strong>

Hey, I didn't get so much as a nibble from him to my long post.

Bible Humper · 12-10-2002, 09:20 AM

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Hey, I didn't get so much as a nibble from him to my long post.

Yeah, I don't know why he didn't respond to your posts when he came looking to see if I had responded to him yet. Since he specifically made a point of calling on me to respond to him, though, I'm assuming that he intends to answer my posts, even if he doesn't intend to answer yours.

12-10-2002, 10:37 AM

IMHO, by far the most rationally compelling argument against theism is the fact that there is no problem of evil. There can be no problem.

It is the solution to the problem of evil that is God's fundamental and irreducible problem.

God is a black box solution. Any problem of any complexity can be fed into it and it prints out a paper assuring us that "Hey, it all makes sense."

Thus, in addition to being arbitrarily complicated, God is a fruitless dead end of inquiry. There can be no truth-preference regarding gods, therefore no knowledge thereof.

If we cannot know God, we do not know God.

Rousseau_CHN · 12-11-2002, 02:36 AM

My favorite is:

Why didn't God create us all to be angels?

Why should some being work hard to earn a place in heaven, while others were created to enjoy it without sweating?

Shadownought · 12-13-2002, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by diana:
<strong>My apologies for misrepresenting you. I was unaware you were mimicking Xns.

(Can someone please help me get this knife out of my back? I can't quite reach it.)

d

Edited to add: I just reread where I picked that up and see my mistake. I apologize for being human. I won't let it happen again.

</strong>

No problem at all, I just wanted to make sure you understood what I meant.

I still want an answer from the Christians who use that particular line of reasoning, though...

Hail · 12-14-2002, 10:59 PM

The problem of evil:
1. If God is perfectly loving, He must wish to abolish evil

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I don't think God would wish to abolish any thing humanity demands in it's free will. I do think he would deem it wise for us to use our free will more wisely.
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2. If He is all powerful, He must be able to abolish evil.
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I think he is able to but by overriding free will and thefore redefining what LIFE is.
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3. But evil exists.

The problem is, if you affirm two of these facts, you cannot affirm the third.
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I dont think the ideas not facts can be affirmed.
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4. Therefore, an all powerful, loving God can exist.

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12-10-2002, 10:37 AM	#63
Synaesthesia Guest Posts: n/a	IMHO, by far the most rationally compelling argument against theism is the fact that there is no problem of evil. There can be no problem. It is the solution to the problem of evil that is God's fundamental and irreducible problem. God is a black box solution. Any problem of any complexity can be fed into it and it prints out a paper assuring us that "Hey, it all makes sense." Thus, in addition to being arbitrarily complicated, God is a fruitless dead end of inquiry. There can be no truth-preference regarding gods, therefore no knowledge thereof. If we cannot know God, we do not know God.

12-11-2002, 02:36 AM	#64
Rousseau_CHN Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nowhere Land Posts: 441	My favorite is: Why didn't God create us all to be angels? Why should some being work hard to earn a place in heaven, while others were created to enjoy it without sweating?

12-14-2002, 10:59 PM	#66
Hail Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 60	The problem of evil: 1. If God is perfectly loving, He must wish to abolish evil ======= I don't think God would wish to abolish any thing humanity demands in it's free will. I do think he would deem it wise for us to use our free will more wisely. ======= 2. If He is all powerful, He must be able to abolish evil. ======= I think he is able to but by overriding free will and thefore redefining what LIFE is. ======= 3. But evil exists. The problem is, if you affirm two of these facts, you cannot affirm the third. ======= I dont think the ideas not facts can be affirmed. ======= 4. Therefore, an all powerful, loving God can exist.

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