Vanderzyden

What makes you so sure you have me figured out Stephen? Are you a prophet?

Please notice that here is yet another good reason for me to use the term Darwinist: Darwin is your savior.

Vanderzyden

P.S. In a quick read of scigirl's response, I find nothing which supports fusion. I will review it in detail soon.

So far, I am concluding that chromosome fusions DO NOT occur.

Peez

No problem, I just type too slow.


Peez

Oolon Colluphid

Go back to <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001305&p=3" target="_blank">this page</a> and read my post of 29 Aug.

TTFN, Oolon

Automaton

A general analysis of Vanderzyden posts: High on personal attacks, low on facts.

Blinn

I went over there and tried to clarify a few things for him. Didn't want to post too much though.

Stephen T-B

Are YOU a prophet, Vander?
I am not a Darwinist. Darwin is not my savior (sic).
Sooner or later someone would have reached similar conclusions as to the origin of species as he did - provided Religious Orthodoxy had not been allowed to stifle scientific inquiry.
My point is that given the right environment (and it started coming right in Europe from the Reformation onwards), human curiosity expands in every direction at an accelerating rate. Darwin didn’t start something; he was part of something. That’s what you seem incapable of understanding.
Consider, please, your position, and the text book to which you rely on for your answers; it revealed nothing, and I repeat nothing, which could not have been proposed by someone whose only information about the world and the universe was provided by the unaided human eye in collaboration with an imaginative but uneducated human brain.
You also seem to have a difficulty with complexity.
Why?
I suppose that shown a map of the railway system as it existed in the UK in, say 1955, you would declare that nothing so complex could have grown up organically from a single length of experimental track built to serve a coal mine not much more than 160 years before. You would insist, would you not, that it had been laid down, ready-made, by god?
Am I being disrespectful?
Yes, for I cannot respect an apparently intelligent person who clings to stories which I, as a ten-year old, recognised as fatuous.

Ab_Normal

Darwin was prompted to publish Origin of Species because another scientist (Wallace? I can't recall) was going to publish his take on the same theory.

Vanderzyden

But, your references are less concinving than the article that we are presently discussing.

Now let me ask you a question: Given your sour disposition (profanity, tone, etc.), why should compel me to engage you any further?

Vanderzyden

Mageth

In other words, you wish to use Oolon's supposed "sour disposition" as an excuse to dodge his reasonable request for you to tell us why you think chromosomes can't fuse, in light of the evidence that they can and do.

Vanderzyden

Indeed you are. It would appear that you are also grossly presumptive. You make flippant declarations regarding the intelligence of those who oppose your views. And yet, you have little, if anything, of substance to contribute. From you, I see no attempt at respectful persuasion, only ridicule and insults. So, if you have been wondering why I don't often respond to you, this is why.

If you affirm that undirected, materialistic, macroevolution is the process by which all life has come into existence, then you are a Darwinist. That is because it is he who solidified and expounded the most influential naturalistic theory of biological origins. I only have to look at the words of a prominent modern Darwinists for confirmation:

...although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.

-- Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker


By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous. Together with Marx's materialistic theory of history and society and Freud's attribution of human behavior to influences over which we have little control, Darwin's theory of evolution was a crucial plank in the platform of mechanism and materialism--of much of science, in short--that has since been the stage of most Western thought.

-- Douglas Futuyma, in the college textbook Evolutionary Biology


As I have asked Oolon, what should compel me to engage you further?

Vanderzyden