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Mecha_Dude · 01-28-2003, 12:57 PM

If they can transplant them on the street, I'd say cloning eyeballs would be a possibility.

My main beef with minority report was how a human's death is so special to the space-time continuum. My guess is because the pre-cognitives were human, so they only see things concerning humans, or some weird vague psychic pseudo-sciencey stuff like that...

Unusual Suspect · 01-28-2003, 01:35 PM

Newby here, tip toeing into the discussion.

It seems if we look hard enough, almost any movie has some point to nitpick about. Whether it bothers me or not depends on the context. Does the flaw invalidate the whole film (which happened for me in Minority Report)? Film is all about suspension of disbelief, anyway. The whole premise of MR is BS, but sets, direction, characters, etc., were enough to remove that from the center of my attention.

From another perspective--is it a bug or a feature?

Rusting Car Bumper · 01-28-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Elation

LoTR: The Two Towers: During the Helm's Deep battle sequence. A group of Orcs rush in and place a giant bomb inside the water drain located in the center bottom of the massive wall. After this, a torch-carrying orc sprints to kamikazie and detonate the wall. As the torch runner is running, Legolas pelts the orc with several arrows, but this does not succeed in putting down the orc. Which I think is totally silly, since in every other part of the film, it only takes one arrow from Legolas to destroy an enemy.

This orc struck me as being bigger than the others.

DC

Duck! · 01-28-2003, 02:26 PM

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The Matrix: After Morpheus takes Neo to the skyscraper program, where he tests Neo to jump from one top of a building to another. Morpheus does it easily, and when Neo tries it, he falls far to the ground. After this, they disconnect their minds from the computer and awake back inside the Nebuchanezzar. Neo feels his mouth, which is bloody and injured.

Neo: I thought it wasn't real?

Morpehus: Your mind makes it real.

I thought this was stupid. I mean, in order for Neo to really have an injury, he would have to physically harm it. There's no way it could make itself happen by 'imagining' it.

More to the point, why even bother with humans who need such a meticuluously planned and detailed virtual world. Why not just used lobotomised sheep for energy or something?

Duck!

Mageth · 01-28-2003, 02:34 PM

Duck, that was my thought exactly when watching the Matrix. "If they'd of used cows instead of humans, none of this BS would be necessary!"

Grumpy · 01-28-2003, 02:48 PM

Perhaps we'll learn in subsequent sequels that the "power plant" hypothesis is wrong. Why should any information about what the Machine really needs be correct?

I rather favor the "Servants Out of Control" concept -- Man creates Machine to take care of every need. Machine obeys too well.

I nominate the continuity blip in Star Trek II when we see Chekov and Terrell on the bridge of Reliant after they were supposedly left behind on Regula One. Oops. But it doesn't ruin the movie, especially if you close your eyes during that scene.

vixstile · 01-28-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
Duck, that was my thought exactly when watching the Matrix. "If they'd of used cows instead of humans, none of this BS would be necessary!"

I think they could have justified it by saying that all large animals went extinct during the initial war between man and the AIs.

trunks2k · 01-28-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Elation
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LoTR: The Two Towers: During the Helm's Deep battle sequence. A group of Orcs rush in and place a giant bomb inside the water drain located in the center bottom of the massive wall. After this, a torch-carrying orc sprints to kamikazie and detonate the wall. As the torch runner is running, Legolas pelts the orc with several arrows, but this does not succeed in putting down the orc. Which I think is totally silly, since in every other part of the film, it only takes one arrow from Legolas to destroy an enemy. [/B]

In the words of someone else on this board (it may have been AspenMama)

"Legolas is a sexy bitch and he can do whatever he wants!"

The Lone Ranger · 01-28-2003, 05:55 PM

Speaking of Star Trek II (which is still by far the best "Trek" movie), the way that Khan was able to cripple the Enterprise really bugs me.

Okay, Kirk is supposed to be an experienced and highly competent Starfleet officer, right? So, when the Reliant approaches the Enterprise and refuses communication, does Kirk do the sensible thing and raise the shields? No, he doesn't. Even after Saavik warns him that this is standard procedure under the circumstances, Kirk doesn't order the shields to be raised.

Then they receive a message from the Reliant that their chamber coil has overloaded; Spock scans the Reliant and discovers that the Reliant's chamber coil emissions are normal. At this point, Kirk not only knows that the Reliant is approaching on what appears to be an attack vector, he knows that they're lying about being unable to communicate. Does he raise the shields? No, he doesn't.

Then the Reliant raises its shields, clearly adopting an aggressive posture. Does Kirk order the shields to be raised? No he doesn't!

It isn't until the Reliant actually locks phasers on the Enterprise that Kirk thinks to raise the shields -- by which time it's far too late.

***

If the Star Trek movies were at all realistic, Star Trek III would have been about Kirk's court-martial and dismissal from Starfleet for gross negligence of duty, failure to obey regulations, and multiple counts of involuntary manslaughter.

Cheers,

Michael

beyelzu · 01-28-2003, 06:22 PM

damnit, Michael

Until I read your post Star Trek 2 was by far my favorite star trek movie, and you just ruined it.

What the hell is oging to be my favorite now, 4,3,1 they all blew and you ruined the really good one

thanks a fucking lot.

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01-28-2003, 12:57 PM	#11
Mecha_Dude Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Everywhere... I'm Watching you... Posts: 1,019	If they can transplant them on the street, I'd say cloning eyeballs would be a possibility. My main beef with minority report was how a human's death is so special to the space-time continuum. My guess is because the pre-cognitives were human, so they only see things concerning humans, or some weird vague psychic pseudo-sciencey stuff like that...

01-28-2003, 01:35 PM	#12
Unusual Suspect Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Atlantic coast--US Posts: 99	Newby here, tip toeing into the discussion. It seems if we look hard enough, almost any movie has some point to nitpick about. Whether it bothers me or not depends on the context. Does the flaw invalidate the whole film (which happened for me in Minority Report)? Film is all about suspension of disbelief, anyway. The whole premise of MR is BS, but sets, direction, characters, etc., were enough to remove that from the center of my attention. From another perspective--is it a bug or a feature?

01-28-2003, 02:34 PM	#15
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Duck, that was my thought exactly when watching the Matrix. "If they'd of used cows instead of humans, none of this BS would be necessary!"

01-28-2003, 02:48 PM	#16
Grumpy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,535	Perhaps we'll learn in subsequent sequels that the "power plant" hypothesis is wrong. Why should any information about what the Machine really needs be correct? I rather favor the "Servants Out of Control" concept -- Man creates Machine to take care of every need. Machine obeys too well. I nominate the continuity blip in Star Trek II when we see Chekov and Terrell on the bridge of Reliant after they were supposedly left behind on Regula One. Oops. But it doesn't ruin the movie, especially if you close your eyes during that scene.

01-28-2003, 05:55 PM	#19
The Lone Ranger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Eastern U.S. Posts: 1,230	Speaking of Star Trek II (which is still by far the best "Trek" movie), the way that Khan was able to cripple the Enterprise *really* bugs me. Okay, Kirk is supposed to be an experienced and highly competent Starfleet officer, right? So, when the Reliant approaches the Enterprise and refuses communication, does Kirk do the sensible thing and raise the shields? No, he doesn't. Even after Saavik warns him that this is standard procedure under the circumstances, Kirk doesn't order the shields to be raised. Then they receive a message from the Reliant that their chamber coil has overloaded; Spock scans the Reliant and discovers that the Reliant's chamber coil emissions are normal. At this point, Kirk not only knows that the Reliant is approaching on what appears to be an attack vector, he knows that they're lying about being unable to communicate. Does he raise the shields? No, he doesn't. Then the Reliant raises its shields, clearly adopting an aggressive posture. *Does Kirk order the shields to be raised? No he doesn't!* It isn't until the Reliant actually locks phasers on the Enterprise that Kirk thinks to raise the shields -- by which time it's far too late. *** If the Star Trek movies were at all realistic, Star Trek III would have been about Kirk's court-martial and dismissal from Starfleet for gross negligence of duty, failure to obey regulations, and multiple counts of involuntary manslaughter. Cheers, Michael

01-28-2003, 06:22 PM	#20
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	damnit, Michael Until I read your post Star Trek 2 was by far my favorite star trek movie, and you just ruined it. What the hell is oging to be my favorite now, 4,3,1 they all blew and you ruined the really good one thanks a fucking lot.

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