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livius drusus · 02-09-2003, 04:06 PM

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PPS ~ and, as further condradiction to this OP, I met livius drusus when she was a moderator a few months back after really flaming the dogsnot out of another atheist when I perceived his implied encouragement of pedophilia.

The thread degenerated into outright naming calling (I believe it was announced that I was a "Pantload" or some such ~ though that may not exactly have been offensive in every context......it was in this case.)

Ah, the good old days. When the moderators were moderators and the pantloads were despicable.

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In any event, I was warned via PM and our posts were edited for content.

As I recall, I apologized to the sensibilities of the board and moved the fuck on.

Pretty much exactly, babe. And your dueling partner did the same. It was quite civilized, all in all.

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That some see only what they choose to see, tirelessly, reinforces their martyr syndrome and merely reflects that lame old theistic sacrificial lamb tactic.

Agreed. There is nothing more tedious than a parade of self-righteous cliches barely clad in a motheaten loincloth of argumentation.

Ronin · 02-09-2003, 04:15 PM

NFLP · 02-09-2003, 06:48 PM

I picture Ronin and Livius with rheumy voices, discussing Camus through wisps of Gitanes and cognac at Chez Pretense.

Or is it Mrs Malaprop and Inspector Clouseau?

BibleBelted · 02-09-2003, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus:
There is nothing more tedious than a parade of self-righteous cliches barely clad in a motheaten loincloth of argumentation.

For some reason I find this image ... strangely arousing.

the drums, the drums ... they're driving me mad!

But more on topic - because I've about decided that for probably at least the next 5000 years, a significant portion of humanity is just going to choose to believe in some "higher power" despite any argument or evidence to the contrary - it seems it would just be pragmatic for theists and atheists to agree on some ground rules for maintaining a civil society.

If there is a wall that separates, it is constructed by the theists; still, if they could just somehow find a way to dedicate themselves to serving a grown-up god .. one that doesn't delight in dashing little ones against the stones, or dictate who may love whom ..

Since apparently we can do f***all about it anyway - would it be better to allow liberal christians as much breathing room as they wish, without demanding they choose between hell and Jerry Falwell?

beyelzu · 02-09-2003, 08:16 PM

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Sabine and IL ~

Now do you see?

We have each here shown that we have our own particular secular preferences as individuals...and will favor or disfavor a personality based on our own private notions.

However, the very OP in this thread has brought divisiveness to our communication based directly upon the case of theist vs atheist.

...and that is the tragedy that theism brings with it, for it is the assertive position.

That irreverence, sarcasm, mockery and rudeness become part and parcel of an argument is quite inevitable...I even invoked a barf smilie on IL once when he was being inane toward ju'iblex in a christmas thread (as I recall) and no mortal injury was struck.

Three atheists just goofing around.

Beyelzu and I (two strong atheists) have met in direct contrast on a few threads with our respective verbal weaponry and have not run to our respective mommies as of this date.

So, unless we directly observe these implied offending threads as they evolved, it really is just a matter of sticks and stones...and, in the mood of perpetual debate on the issue of mythical sky fairies, magic spell books, zombies and wizards ~ let's get back to the dance...sans all this poonanny inspired temperamental foot stomping!

PS ~ viscousmemories...very well put, however, Sabine has been exposed in this manner before. I seriously much doubt that it will register.

well for my part I most definitely did run to my mommy, but she told me to get bent

I do enjoy debating people, atheists and theists alike. I try to enter each conversation with an open mind, at least open enough to consider other people's points. I dont think that ronin is more right about something because he is an atheist. The only thing that I do think is that an atheist is more likely to be persuaded by reason, I know I am. Honestly, on a different day I might have responded the way livius drusus did in the other thread. I was feeling kind of warm and fuzzy so I didnt. Also in real life I might make fun of someone's position because I find their position to be ludicrous.

livius drusus · 02-09-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by NFLP
I picture Ronin and Livius with rheumy voices, discussing Camus through wisps of Gitanes and cognac at Chez Pretense.

Or is it Mrs Malaprop and Inspector Clouseau?

Well that's hot. Whaddayasay Ronin babe? You bring the berets, I'll bring the dogeared copies of The Myth of Sisyphus and we'll see each other on the rive gauche.

Blake · 02-09-2003, 08:37 PM

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Now if you want to venture in character analysis to justify any nasty treatment of Amie.... I am not part of your audience. But no doubt you will get an attentive audience from the individuals who thrive on that kind of method. Then they will move on as they have fed their mental and emotional needs on the carcasses of this thread.

You know what, I think you may have just dropped a clue as to why you & Amie attract infidel ire. You have ignored my argument and instead suggested that I will pursue a morally reprehensible line of discussion.

II has a culture of the well-formed argument. My (admittedly faulty) memory suggests to me that neither you nor Amie is very successful at grasping arguments, forming them, or responding to them. Certainly not gracefully admitting defeat when bested by them, a phenomenon which you have demonstrated here.

Note carefully: This is not a character analysis; this is a (possibly faulty) recollection of consistent behavior on this message board.

I know that our failure to communicate in a common language each of us understands & agrees on here has left me quite frustrated, a feeling I don't experience reading or conversing with the other group of theists I mentioned. Other infidels, when confronted with similar experiences, occasionally flame their opponents. I can't swear I haven't done it, though I try hard not to.

I'm all for Infinity Lover's good intentions in raising this issue; I just don't know whether he's raising a valid, generalizable issue with respect to these fora. I have found your concrete example quite lacking, and my own general reflection doesn't find unjustified guilt-tripping of or generalized evil biased attitudes toward theists by the local freethinking community. If someone can think of an (or any) actual concrete example(s), I'd love to ground this discussion in something real already, over 2 pages into it.

livius drusus · 02-09-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Beyelzu
I do enjoy debating people, atheists and theists alike. I try to enter each conversation with an open mind, at least open enough to consider other people's points. I dont think that ronin is more right about something because he is an atheist. The only thing that I do think is that an atheist is more likely to be persuaded by reason, I know I am.

That's seems reasonable. I would say that a freethinker would be more likely to abandon a theory when the facts can be shown not to support it, whereas a theist will be able to sustain the faulty theory on a scaffolding of faith and/or crossed fingers. Still, not all atheists are freethinkers and I've certainly seen some discussions here where atheists relied on questionable sources and dogmatic assertions instead of critical thinking.

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Honestly, on a different day I might have responded the way livius drusus did in the other thread. I was feeling kind of warm and fuzzy so I didnt.

That's cool with me, babe. Surly or cuddly you crack me the hell up.

Ronin · 02-09-2003, 10:32 PM

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Well that's hot. Whaddayasay Ronin babe? You bring the berets, I'll bring the dogeared copies of The Myth of Sisyphus and we'll see each other on the rive gauche.

Bien, jusqu'� ce que nous rencontrons encore et le cas est r�solu!

A vous!

beyelzu · 02-10-2003, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
I've certainly seen some discussions here where atheists relied on questionable sources and dogmatic assertions instead of critical thinking.

I sometimes find myself leaning towards dogma in the pd forum. I am working on it htough

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