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Mageth · 10-31-2002, 12:42 PM

There are to many people attacking me that's why!

No one's attacking you. We've commented on and criticized what you've posted, but we're not attacking you.

Viti · 10-31-2002, 12:42 PM

Nobody is attacking you. Simply take your time, and write out your thoughts and answer our questions in the statement of your views.

I am sorry if it seemed you were being mobbed; this forum has high expectations of clear posts and unambiguous language. It helps everyone know where you are coming from so you won't be peppered with so many requests for clarification.

Autonemesis · 10-31-2002, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
The constitution shows it roots in religion partial to christianity. All are equal is a religious idea. We are not all equal.

Funny, I don't see any mention of Jesus in the Constitution of the United States. I don't even see any mention of God in it.

Furthermore, there is no declaration of equality in the Bible. "All men are created equal" is a secular ideal, not a religious one. The founders made this exceedingly clear by conspicuously excluding any mention of God from the Constitution. You'd think if it favored Christianity it'd mention God and Jesus in every other paragraph.

BUT IT DOES NOT MENTION EITHER ONE EVEN ONCE.

Zentraedi · 10-31-2002, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by xeren:


No i am not. I believe you said the following:

"How would your morals work in a non-religious society? You�d probably base them off the ones you already know of. (Formally religious-based ones)"

How does that interpret into you need religion to have morals? All I stated was that we are basing our morals on relious beliefs in general. Although you may be an atheist you have not lived in a society without religion.

Example:

Cannibalism:morals not based on religions I speak of. Its not promoted in our society, well at least not mine. An atheist could believe in cannibalism, but does not because of the influence of some sort of religion.

Mageth · 10-31-2002, 12:58 PM

Can you give some evidence that the taboo against cannibalism is a religious taboo?

Further, cannibalism was/is part of some religious systems.

Autonemesis · 10-31-2002, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
Although you may be an atheist you have not lived in a society without religion.

So what? Although you may be a theist, you have not lived in a society without atheism. If you get near a point, let us know.

xeren · 10-31-2002, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
How does that interpret into you need religion to have morals?

Okay, good, so then you don't think you Have to have religion to have morals.

Viti · 10-31-2002, 03:42 PM

Zentraedi...so far you have posted an insult in 5 languages, then opened this thread. Your profile lists your interest as "yelling at people", then you cry "you attacked me" and run away?

Please come back to this thread and post something that makes a reasonable point.

If you do not do so I fear this thread will thread will be sent to RRP and you will then know what it means to be attacked.

Jobar · 10-31-2002, 04:14 PM

Zentraedi, and all- this topic is about atheists and atheism, not about the existence of God(s). I'm moving it to Misc. Religion.

Zentraedi, I am sure that our outlook is new to you- but we have said the same things to many, many others that we are telling you here. Considering just how many times we have had to repeat the same things, it should not be at all surprising that some of us get pretty testy. You seem to be asking politely, and we shall try to answer in kind- but do remember that we get tired of answering the same questions over and over. I strongly suggest that you go through our library and our forums, pick out titles that interest you, and read them. If you still don't understand, then ask, and you will find many us us willing to talk. Try not to ask the same questions the last eight thousand theists have asked, please!

Hobbs · 10-31-2002, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
You are putting words in my mouth.

The easy way to stop that is to put words in your own mouth. If you don't state your own position and beliefs, all we can do is speculate. So, tell us, what do you believe? Where did God get his moral rules from? Did he have reasons for the rules he gave us? If so, why couldn't we just bypass God and appeal to those reasons ourselves? If not, if his rules are arbitrary and groundless, then what (besides maybe his power to enforce them, i.e. "might makes right") makes his arbitrary rules any better than ours?

Quote:

Example:

Cannibalism:morals not based on religions I speak of. Its not promoted in our society, well at least not mine. An atheist could believe in cannibalism, but does not because of the influence of some sort of religion.

What about, for example, tribal groups such as those in lowland South America (Amazonia) who practice ritual cannibalism as part of their religious funereal rituals? Or, had you grown up in Aztec society, you would have been raised to believe that human sacrifice and eating the victims brought you closer to the gods.

Or, if the Bible is supposed to be the source of morality in Christian America, where did we get the idea to abolish slavery, since the Bible condones slavery?

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10-31-2002, 12:42 PM	#51
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	There are to many people attacking me that's why! No one's attacking you. We've commented on and criticized what you've posted, but we're not attacking you.

10-31-2002, 12:42 PM	#52
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Nobody is attacking you. Simply take your time, and write out your thoughts and answer our questions in the statement of your views. I am sorry if it seemed you were being mobbed; this forum has high expectations of clear posts and unambiguous language. It helps everyone know where you are coming from so you won't be peppered with so many requests for clarification.

10-31-2002, 12:58 PM	#55
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Can you give some evidence that the taboo against cannibalism is a religious taboo? Further, cannibalism was/is part of some religious systems.

10-31-2002, 03:42 PM	#58
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Zentraedi...so far you have posted an insult in 5 languages, then opened this thread. Your profile lists your interest as "yelling at people", then you cry "you attacked me" and run away? Please come back to this thread and post something that makes a reasonable point. If you do not do so I fear this thread will thread will be sent to RRP and you will then know what it means to be attacked.

10-31-2002, 04:14 PM	#59
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Zentraedi, and all- this topic is about atheists and atheism, not about the existence of God(s). I'm moving it to Misc. Religion. Zentraedi, I am sure that our outlook is new to you- but we have said the same things to many, many others that we are telling you here. Considering just how many times we have had to repeat the same things, it should not be at all surprising that some of us get pretty testy. You seem to be asking politely, and we shall try to answer in kind- but do remember that we get tired of answering the same questions over and over. I strongly suggest that you go through our library and our forums, pick out titles that interest you, and read them. If you still don't understand, then ask, and you will find many us us willing to talk. Try not to ask the same questions the last eight thousand theists have asked, please!

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