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Koyaanisqatsi · 07-31-2002, 05:51 AM

I have come back to attest to Automaton's divine status. He is the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ!

He revealed to me and to 500 other people who were with me at a broadway show last night that he had come back from the dead during this time of wars and rumors of wars in the Middle East (as the Bible prophesied).

He told me, specifically, that he had been posting here under the name "Automaton" (automatos, meaning "self operating mechanism"), because we atheists were the ones who needed to get to know him and love him as a brother first before he could reveal his true nature; for we are the unbelievers most in danger of hell fire.

I say this is true for God speaks through me and I am my master's servant and God told me that another within this very thread would doubt my truth and deny that I speak true and twist my words using "logic" and "what is logically possible," and worse, use the divinely inspired concept of faith as a poison against God's own house, the returned savior that is Automaton!

Yea, I say, fear him!

The Gospel According to Koy

[ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Koyaanisqatsi ]

Koyaanisqatsi · 07-31-2002, 06:04 AM

Ok, there's your evidence.

DRFseven · 07-31-2002, 06:30 AM

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Koy: He revealed to me and to 500 other people who were with me at a broadway show last night that he had come back from the dead during this time of wars and rumors of wars in the Middle East (as the Bible prophesied).

Wow, maybe my daughter was among the lucky 500; she went to see "Noises Off" (Jane Curtain is in it) last night.

Koyaanisqatsi · 07-31-2002, 08:53 AM

That was the show!

So there you go, you now have my witnessing, 500 other witnesses and DRF's daughter--an innocent child of light who could not possibly lie--confirming it all, along with God almighty telling me it is true and even predicting that others here would not accept what I say is truth about Automaton, which proves that Automaton is God!

You now require no further evidence or proof to worship and obey Automaton as your God, right? I mean, what more evidence could you possibly need and, more importantly, what kind of evidence would it have to be?

It was revealed to me and DRF's daughter and 500 other witnesses (well, technically 499 others) and by God Almighty to be true! And if you don't accept it fully, that will be incontrivertable proof that Automaton is God, as God told me that there would be one, possibly more, among you who would not accept what I tell them as the absolute, objective, God inspired truth!

And he, in his infinite wisdom, was right, which proves Automaton is God.

So, end of discussion. Worship and obey Automaton and have no other false gods before him.

(edited for dyslexia - Koy)

[ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Koyaanisqatsi ]

Koyaanisqatsi · 07-31-2002, 09:25 AM

Well? What are you waiting for?

Automaton is God.

We've proved that with all the evidence we need.

So, now, what is "logically possible" for Automaton to do? Remember, as God he's an ineffable, incomprehensible being that can do impossible things (such as arrest the orbit of the Earth and have that cause no side effects) so what is logically possible for an ineffable, incomprehensible being?

Devilnaut · 07-31-2002, 09:49 AM

I saw Automaton's face in a coaster.

Koyaanisqatsi · 07-31-2002, 10:24 AM

A third witness to the gospel of Automaton!

He is therefore, irrefutably and unquestioningly, the one true God incarnate, capable of doing only that which is logically possible.

So, again, I'll ask, what is "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man?

Anyone? Omniscience? Would that be "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man?

Omnipotence? Would that be "logically possible?" Or would the limitation of power necessary to define such a being by only that which is "logically possible" instantly contradict the limitless claim inherent in the word "Omnipotence?"

Thomas Metcalf · 07-31-2002, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi:
Well? What are you waiting for?

Automaton is God.

We've proved that with all the evidence we need.

So, now, what is "logically possible" for Automaton to do? Remember, as God he's an ineffable, incomprehensible being that can do impossible things (such as arrest the orbit of the Earth and have that cause no side effects) so what is logically possible for an ineffable, incomprehensible being?

Remember, those aren't logically impossible things, just physically and nomologically impossible things, so it's perfectly possible and coherent for the omnipotent Automaton to do them. Anything that does not conflict with Automaton's essential attributes is logically possible for him to do.

Thomas Metcalf · 07-31-2002, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi:
A third witness to the gospel of Automaton!

He is therefore, irrefutably and unquestioningly, the one true God incarnate, capable of doing only that which is logically possible.

So, again, I'll ask, what is "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man?

Anyone? Omniscience? Would that be "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man?

Omnipotence? Would that be "logically possible?" Or would the limitation of power necessary to define such a being by only that which is "logically possible" instantly contradict the limitless claim inherent in the word "Omnipotence?"

No, omniscience would not be logically possible for an omnipotent being to have, because the essential attribute of "can do any logically possible action" conflicts with the essential attribute "cannot learn."

Maybe you think that omnipotence means limitless power, but I'd wager at least 95% of professional apologist philosophers of religion would disagree with you, and 90% of professional atheologian philosophers of religion would grant that to them.

foursquareman · 07-31-2002, 12:29 PM

I'm back, sorry for the late reply. Maybe I should try and clarify my position. When a painter paints a painting, by the paintings standards, the painter is logically impossible. The whole painting is made out of paint, so how can the painter exist if he isn't made out of paint? What about the crazy premise that the painter is in 3D?

What I'm trying to say, is that we cannot rule out a God just because he does not conform to our universes standards. The fact the we exist is evidence of some creator (to me).

But also just because we cannot disprove this God with our standards, does not mean that evidence doesn't exist. As if the painter became paint to tell the painting who he was, I believe God came down as a man. The evidence I base my faith on (faith: the belief of things unseen) is the influence I have seen in my life.

Sorry 'bout the rant, just wanted to clarify my position, good luck to Automaton as God.

ps, can I email you some requests (maybe a BMW or mercedes)?

07-31-2002, 05:51 AM	#41
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	I have come back to attest to Automaton's divine status. He is the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ! He revealed to me and to 500 other people who were with me at a broadway show last night that he had come back from the dead during this time of wars and rumors of wars in the Middle East (as the Bible prophesied). He told me, specifically, that he had been posting here under the name "Automaton" (automatos, meaning "self operating mechanism"), because we atheists were the ones who needed to get to know him and love him as a brother first before he could reveal his true nature; for we are the unbelievers most in danger of hell fire. I say this is true for God speaks through me and I am my master's servant and God told me that another within this very thread would doubt my truth and deny that I speak true and twist my words using "logic" and "what is logically possible," and worse, use the divinely inspired concept of faith as a poison against God's own house, the returned savior that is Automaton! Yea, I say, fear him! The Gospel According to Koy [ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Koyaanisqatsi ]</p>

07-31-2002, 08:53 AM	#44
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	That was the show! So there you go, you now have my witnessing, 500 other witnesses and DRF's daughter--an innocent child of light who could not possibly lie--confirming it all, along with God almighty telling me it is true and even predicting that others here would not accept what I say is truth about Automaton, which proves that Automaton is God! You now require no further evidence or proof to worship and obey Automaton as your God, right? I mean, what more evidence could you possibly need and, more importantly, what kind of evidence would it have to be? It was revealed to me and DRF's daughter and 500 other witnesses (well, technically 499 others) and by God Almighty to be true! And if you don't accept it fully, that will be incontrivertable proof that Automaton is God, as God told me that there would be one, possibly more, among you who would not accept what I tell them as the absolute, objective, God inspired truth! And he, in his infinite wisdom, was right, which proves Automaton is God. So, end of discussion. Worship and obey Automaton and have no other false gods before him. (edited for dyslexia - Koy) [ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Koyaanisqatsi ]</p>

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07-31-2002, 06:04 AM	#42
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Ok, there's your evidence.

07-31-2002, 09:25 AM	#45
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	Well? What are you waiting for? Automaton is God. We've proved that with all the evidence we need. So, now, what is "logically possible" for Automaton to do? Remember, as God he's an ineffable, incomprehensible being that can do impossible things (such as arrest the orbit of the Earth and have that cause no side effects) so what is logically possible for an ineffable, incomprehensible being?

07-31-2002, 09:49 AM	#46
Devilnaut Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 374	I saw Automaton's face in a coaster.

07-31-2002, 10:24 AM	#47
Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	A third witness to the gospel of Automaton! He is therefore, irrefutably and unquestioningly, the one true God incarnate, capable of doing only that which is logically possible. So, again, I'll ask, what is "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man? Anyone? Omniscience? Would that be "logically possible" for an ineffable, incomprehensible being whose true nature can never be known by man? Omnipotence? Would that be "logically possible?" Or would the limitation of power necessary to define such a being by only that which is "logically possible" instantly contradict the limitless claim inherent in the word "Omnipotence?"

07-31-2002, 12:29 PM	#50
foursquareman Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 63	I'm back, sorry for the late reply. Maybe I should try and clarify my position. When a painter paints a painting, by the paintings standards, the painter is logically impossible. The whole painting is made out of paint, so how can the painter exist if he isn't made out of paint? What about the crazy premise that the painter is in 3D? What I'm trying to say, is that we cannot rule out a God just because he does not conform to our universes standards. The fact the we exist is evidence of some creator (to me). But also just because we cannot disprove this God with our standards, does not mean that evidence doesn't exist. As if the painter became paint to tell the painting who he was, I believe God came down as a man. The evidence I base my faith on (faith: the belief of things unseen) is the influence I have seen in my life. Sorry 'bout the rant, just wanted to clarify my position, good luck to Automaton as God. ps, can I email you some requests (maybe a BMW or mercedes)?

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