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Old 03-25-2003, 06:53 PM   #11
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I've heard it said that are known instances of denying pain-relief to those being burned alive as well, but surely those were isolated incidents.

Immoral to cure disease? Doubtful, seeing as god would surely prefer that you bust your ass to overcome his induced obstacles. (Life's a challenge don't you know. Bear your cross and all that.)

PS - Before my wife had our first child, I asked if she wanted to attend the old breathing classes. Our conversation went like this:

"Honey, did you want to attend those breathing classes?"
"Why would I chose to attend a class for something which is perfectly natural? I don't think I need to learn how to have a baby. I think it'll just happpen."

She was quite right. No screaming or horrible happenings.
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paradoxes magically seem to rise from xian doctrine, so don't plague yourself attempting to find the answers. Here's a question that I find myself pondering every once in awhile - if we are supposed to let the babies with deformations and retardations live, then we are slowly de-evolving ourselves and making ourselves weaker by making room (taking up space for healthier individuals) for the "less-than-perfect". Where is the line as far as this is concerned? I don't want to go slaughter everyone with an IQ under 100, nor do I want a world filled with an "epsilon" class that gets nowhere. Perhaps dolphins are the answer. They have larger brains that are more active, they play in the ocean all day and have sex. they are truly the supreme race that resides over this country and they will continue on after we kill ourselves with some super ebola strain.
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When does the *Mutant* stop falllllllllling
those that can't get accustomed to the changes
go Splaaaaat or into the evolutionary climax bin

Was it a planned spike... ? with the Happy Daze theme
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But to get back on-topic, I don't see how they could see it as punishment. Unless they're only fixated on "bad" mutations. The way I understand it, not all mutations have a negative effect on a species, and actually, more often than not they're positive. The other exception I could see them arguing is the random mutation in one (or just a few) individuals. Is this more in line with what they're talking about?
It is somewhat falacious to even term mutations as "positive" or "negative". They simply ARE; to apply a qualifier to them is part of the human trend to oversimplify things.
In evolutionary terms, a mutation is simply the alteration of an expressed characteristic (be it physical or behavioural) in such a way as to take advantage of an expoitalbe ecological niche. It is all about survival of the species in a hostile environment.
In this context, positive and negative are only attributeable if they reflect the continuation or extinction of species.

However, to respond to scigirl's original question, the answer is no. It is immoral of us to not treat disease if we possess the capacity to do so. Opposition to the will of God is not immoral; it is blasphemy.
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It is somewhat falacious to even term mutations as "positive" or "negative". They simply ARE; to apply a qualifier to them is part of the human trend to oversimplify things.
In evolutionary terms, a mutation is simply the alteration of an expressed characteristic (be it physical or behavioural) in such a way as to take advantage of an expoitalbe ecological niche. It is all about survival of the species in a hostile environment.
In this context, positive and negative are only attributeable if they reflect the continuation or extinction of species.

However, to respond to scigirl's original question, the answer is no. It is immoral of us to not treat disease if we possess the capacity to do so. Opposition to the will of God is not immoral; it is blasphemy.
Maybe I should have used "beneficial" and say, "malign" rather than +/-. What I was getting at was whether the "mutation" increased or decreased chances for survival. Also, I was trying to differentiate between an across-the-board species-wide mutation versus a more selective mutation. When I said "negative" I meant something like being born minus an arm or leg, or blind or something like that (again the whole decreased survivability thing).
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