King Rat

This may be too touchy to talk about, but here goes:

With all the information about the current administration's 'creative interpretation of the facts' I'm feeling a bit unsure of the data they used to implicate OBL. I mean, the 'smoking gun' was that tape of OBL laughing about it with his cronies. But I don't recall OBL actually ever saying that he was responsible.

I can't trust what Bush has to say anymore, is there more reliable data that implicates OBL?

Joe6Pack

There's mountains of data regarding OBL and 911. Even with all the conspricy theories that float around this board. There is no way all this eveidence could have been fabricated.

King Rat

I've started looking around, I haven't found much that isn't circumstantial at best.

Craig

Yeah, if they were going to manufacture evidence, they would probably have pointed it at Iraq. Look at how hard they tried to link the two before the war started. They really couldn't, if they were making it up then they would not really have needed to stretch so far.

Grumpy

Are we impeaching the credibility of the videos where OBL congratulates himself for hatching the scheme? That seems pretty convincing. Plus, I don't hear him denying it anymore.

Zar

I don't think anyone can truthfully claim to know what happened on Sept. 11. And comments like this:

Don't even count as evidence of anything whatsoever.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

My personal opinion:

The administration had an active hand in it. The FBI ignoring two warnings of a massive terrorist strike? That the person "responsible" was aided by members of Bush's cabinet last time they were in office? The carte blanche that was given Bush immediately afterwards? The way he abused it so completely unashamedly? If I found out he did it, I would be very unsurprised.

However, I have nothing better than a personal distate for Bush and his politics as well as the aforementioned circumstancial evidence, so I cannot say that he is guilty at all--only that my personal opinion is that he had a role in it.

Calzaer

I agree with Jesus (and that's not something you'll hear me say in everyday conversation! ). People around here ask things like "How would Gore have handled 9/11?" My response is "If Gore had been elected, 9/11 wouldn't have happened."

Jimmy Higgins

Important to add to this comment is that before 9/11, Bush was almost proding this Middle East and the terrorists. He pretty much was saying, "Bring it on." 9/11 was a failure of communication, both before and during the attack.

In addition, the tape is rather conclusive, though al qaeda never took responsibility. You know the tape is good because the administration had to edit the tape to keep the Saudi Arabia information secret.

Abacus

Look at how easy it was for the US to fake the moon landings. September 11th was easy to stage compared to those.