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Badfish · 04-09-2003, 08:31 PM

God created everything. Scripture says so, he even created evil.

The limitations of human intelligence cannot comprehend an omni-everything God.

God didn't intend for himself to be exposed as being comprehendable.

While I wait for the fire, tell me that God is a more ridiculous concept, than the notion that the cosmos developed from nothing and that the vast variety of species is consistent with random chance.

Godot · 04-09-2003, 10:22 PM

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I'm looking to compile a list of reasons that God, in the traditional, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent form, cannot exist.

Even if a god did exist, how could you know that it posessed those qualities? It sure couldn't demonstrate any of them to you.

God: "I am the omniscient god. I know everything."

Me: "Prove it."

God's response: "I knew you were going to say that."

Badfish · 04-09-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Godot
God's response: "I knew you were going to say that."

That's right, he knows what your going to do before you do it.

Calzaer · 04-09-2003, 11:21 PM

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That's right, he knows what your going to do before you do it.

I knew you were going to say that. Because I am God.

emotional · 04-10-2003, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by Badfish
God created everything. Scripture says so, he even created evil.

But this same scripture says God burns in hell for eternity all those who failed to accept Him, and this is a lie, a blasphemy, a doctrine of demons! Scripture therefore cannot be trusted.

Badfish · 04-10-2003, 12:38 PM

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But this same scripture says God burns in hell for eternity all those who failed to accept Him, and this is a lie, a blasphemy, a doctrine of demons! Scripture therefore cannot be trusted. [/B]

If God created everything then evil is a byproduct or a direct product of creation, it just gives more credit to the scriptures.

TomboyMom · 04-10-2003, 12:45 PM

The god that supposedly exists cannot be perceived with any sense--cannot be seen, heard, etc. In what sense does a thing which cannot be perceived be said to exist? Not in any sense that makes any difference, therefore, in the functional sense, not at all.

Rene

Badfish · 04-10-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by TomboyMom
The god that supposedly exists cannot be perceived with any sense--cannot be seen, heard, etc. In what sense does a thing which cannot be perceived be said to exist? Not in any sense that makes any difference, therefore, in the functional sense, not at all.

Rene

We cannot see, hear, observe, or sense the concept of the universe creating itself either.

Philosoft · 04-10-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
God created everything. Scripture says so, he even created evil.

How does one create a value judgement?

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The limitations of human intelligence cannot comprehend an omni-everything God.

How can we even know it's a coherent concept?

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God didn't intend for himself to be exposed as being comprehendable.

So the incomprehensible God can somehow convey his intentions in understandable form?

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While I wait for the fire, tell me that God is a more ridiculous concept, than the notion that the cosmos developed from nothing and that the vast variety of species is consistent with random chance.

(1) No serious cosmologies suggest that "the cosmos developed from nothing."
(2) Random chance is but one of a number of "forces" that contribute to speciation.

Shadowy Man · 04-10-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
We cannot see, hear, observe, or sense the concept of the universe creating itself either.

And who said it did?

04-10-2003, 12:45 PM	#17
TomboyMom Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,931	god only exists in a meaningless sense The god that supposedly exists cannot be perceived with any sense--cannot be seen, heard, etc. In what sense does a thing which cannot be perceived be said to exist? Not in any sense that makes any difference, therefore, in the functional sense, not at all. Rene

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Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	God created everything. Scripture says so, he even created evil. The limitations of human intelligence cannot comprehend an omni-everything God. God didn't intend for himself to be exposed as being comprehendable. While I wait for the fire, tell me that God is a more ridiculous concept, than the notion that the cosmos developed from nothing and that the vast variety of species is consistent with random chance.

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