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hezekiah jones · 06-09-2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie
First, Gore voted AGAINST Thomas. So did Bob Kerrey.

That is correct, contrary to the Green propaganda.

Well, I haven't thought much of the Greens, but this tears it. i won't vote for a Green for dogcatcher after this.

lol - my sentiments exactly.

Hey Lynn, go and rustle up a copy of Freedom's Law by Ronald Dworkin for some insights into the Thomas debacle.

hezekiah jones · 06-09-2003, 07:10 PM

And ftr, what do you mean "milquetoasts"? These men are GIANTS, they are SCHOLARS!

SLD · 06-09-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by fromtheright
I nominate Michael McConnell.

My prediction, SLD, is that he will unfortunately pick a milquetoast like Kennedy or Souter as a sop to Democrats, to avoid a nomination fight.

Not that dickweed. That would definitely provoke a filibuster.

SLD

Lynn of the Prairie · 06-10-2003, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fromtheright
I nominate Michael McConnell.

My prediction, SLD, is that he will unfortunately pick a milquetoast like Kennedy or Souter as a sop to Democrats, to avoid a nomination fight.

Don't know him. Is he the son of Mitch McConnell, and if so, and he becomes a justice, would he have to recuse himself when the case where his Da is contending McCain-Feingold campaign reform law is unconstitutional comes up?

hezekiah jones · 06-10-2003, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie
Is he the son of Mitch McConnell ...

God forbid. Michael McConnell is actually a highly regarded legal scholar and practitioner:

Michael W. McConnell

hezekiah jones · 06-10-2003, 10:03 AM

Good lord, I actually misspelled a proper name above, but it's too late to edit it.

Oh the horror, oh the shame.

Toto · 06-10-2003, 10:28 AM

McConnell is highly regarded for his scholarship and writing, but is using his talents to demolish the wall of separation between church and state. His appointment to a circuit court of appeals just got through Congress. Watch out for him in 2 years.

Lynn of the Prairie · 06-10-2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie
Is he the son of Mitch McConnell ...

God forbid. Michael McConnell is actually a highly regarded legal scholar and practitioner:

Michael W. McConnell

I think I remember this guy. Was he not only recently confirmed as a federal district judge? Seems like there was talk of liberals fighting him but he was endorsed by prominent liberals though he is conservative, yes?

hezekiah jones · 06-10-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie
Was he not only recently confirmed as a federal district judge?

U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, yep:

McConnell, Michael W.

Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie
Seems like there was talk of liberals fighting him but he was endorsed by prominent liberals though he is conservative, yes?

Yeppers, on the strength of his reputation and scholarship.

Toto is correct, he is something of an anti-separationist, but I think we need the occasional formidable adversary such as McConnell instead of the usual low-rent buffoons like David Barton, Mat Staver, and Jay $ekulow. Keeps us on our toes.

fromtheright · 06-10-2003, 09:09 PM

Toto and hezekiah,

Though not to me, I appreciate your compliments to McConnell. Too often in these debates, especially in the highly-charged appointments to the Supreme Court, most of us are too apt to demonize and ridicule appointments on the other side (e.g., embarrassingly--in the face of your own comments--my attacks on Souter and Kennedy; hey, that includes you, SLD. "Dickweed"?) of where we stand. Obviously I'm glad he's on my side. I do wish more of his articles were available in the public domain, though I could probably go to my local law library and X-rox them. Naaah, too much time.

BTW, I certainly agree with the contrast with Barton. I don't know anything about Sekulow's scholarship, so can't comment (except that years ago at a CPAC meeting I heard someone from the Christian Legal Society HQ say that Sekulow and ACLJ are just bullies to other lawyers on our side of the CSS street). This past Sunday I heard one of Wallbuilders speakers, Rick Green, speaking at my old church. I think that the "Unconfirmed Quotations" wisened them up some as I didn't pick up any bad quotes. Ya' know, I still haven't heard anyone given a chronology of that episode as to what prompted Barton's retraction of the quotes. Wallbuilders wouldn't answer me when I asked and Barton's website claims that he just suddenly discovered they weren't good quotes and he decided he needed to use a cleaner historical method. I didn't question Green about the UQ, but I did make the observation that those on the left (for lack of a clearer, neater, concise way to distinguish) side of this debate are far better prepared than most of those on my side, based on the time I've spent here at IIDB and the dearth of discussion on this issue at BB. Hell, I even tried stirring up some discussion on starting a forum there on CSS and met a wall of silence.

And despite my criticism of Kennedy, I am somewhat attracted to his coercion test (that's him and O'Connor, isn't it?) on the establishment issue.

Lynn of the Prairie, hezekiah,

Yeah, I think that his recent appointment to the Circuit Court will probably keep him off the short list for the Supremes.

06-09-2003, 06:52 PM	#21
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Re: There is a pubic hair on my Coke Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie First, Gore voted AGAINST Thomas. So did Bob Kerrey. That is correct, contrary to the Green propaganda. Well, I haven't thought much of the Greens, but this tears it. i won't vote for a Green for dogcatcher after this. lol - my sentiments exactly. Hey Lynn, go and rustle up a copy of Freedom's Law by Ronald Dworkin for some insights into the Thomas debacle.

06-10-2003, 09:33 AM	#25
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Re: Son of Mitch? Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie Is he the son of Mitch McConnell ... God forbid. Michael McConnell is actually a highly regarded legal scholar and practitioner: Michael W. McConnell

06-10-2003, 11:29 AM	#29
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Michael McConnell Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie Was he not only recently confirmed as a federal district judge? U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, yep: McConnell, Michael W. Originally posted by Lynn of the Prairie Seems like there was talk of liberals fighting him but he was endorsed by prominent liberals though he is conservative, yes? Yeppers, on the strength of his reputation and scholarship. Toto is correct, he is something of an anti-separationist, but I think we need the occasional formidable adversary such as McConnell instead of the usual low-rent buffoons like David Barton, Mat Staver, and Jay $ekulow. Keeps us on our toes.

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06-09-2003, 07:10 PM	#22
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	And ftr, what do you mean "milquetoasts"? These men are GIANTS, they are SCHOLARS!

06-10-2003, 10:03 AM	#26
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Good lord, I actually misspelled a proper name above, but it's too late to edit it. Oh the horror, oh the shame.

06-10-2003, 10:28 AM	#27
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	McConnell is highly regarded for his scholarship and writing, but is using his talents to demolish the wall of separation between church and state. His appointment to a circuit court of appeals just got through Congress. Watch out for him in 2 years.

06-10-2003, 09:09 PM	#30
fromtheright Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 633	Toto and hezekiah, Though not to me, I appreciate your compliments to McConnell. Too often in these debates, especially in the highly-charged appointments to the Supreme Court, most of us are too apt to demonize and ridicule appointments on the other side (e.g., embarrassingly--in the face of your own comments--my attacks on Souter and Kennedy; hey, that includes you, SLD. "Dickweed"?) of where we stand. Obviously I'm glad he's on my side. I do wish more of his articles were available in the public domain, though I could probably go to my local law library and X-rox them. Naaah, too much time. BTW, I certainly agree with the contrast with Barton. I don't know anything about Sekulow's scholarship, so can't comment (except that years ago at a CPAC meeting I heard someone from the Christian Legal Society HQ say that Sekulow and ACLJ are just bullies to other lawyers on our side of the CSS street). This past Sunday I heard one of Wallbuilders speakers, Rick Green, speaking at my old church. I think that the "Unconfirmed Quotations" wisened them up some as I didn't pick up any bad quotes. Ya' know, I still haven't heard anyone given a chronology of that episode as to what prompted Barton's retraction of the quotes. Wallbuilders wouldn't answer me when I asked and Barton's website claims that he just suddenly discovered they weren't good quotes and he decided he needed to use a cleaner historical method. I didn't question Green about the UQ, but I did make the observation that those on the left (for lack of a clearer, neater, concise way to distinguish) side of this debate are far better prepared than most of those on my side, based on the time I've spent here at IIDB and the dearth of discussion on this issue at BB. Hell, I even tried stirring up some discussion on starting a forum there on CSS and met a wall of silence. And despite my criticism of Kennedy, I am somewhat attracted to his coercion test (that's him and O'Connor, isn't it?) on the establishment issue. Lynn of the Prairie, hezekiah, Yeah, I think that his recent appointment to the Circuit Court will probably keep him off the short list for the Supremes.

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